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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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AdobeWanKenobi · 21/09/2021 22:58

Well that's making more sense...

Except their isn’t. Read the thread. There is only one bluntness and that’s the one on this thread. Frankly I’m astounded that so many of you have failed to notice them before.
Selective reading must be.

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Amiwronghere · 21/09/2021 22:58

Poor girl!!

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Mookie81 · 21/09/2021 23:41

@AdobeWanKenobi

Well that's making more sense...

Except their isn’t. Read the thread. There is only one bluntness and that’s the one on this thread. Frankly I’m astounded that so many of you have failed to notice them before.
Selective reading must be.

I'm aware of that now.
And it's 'there'. Hmm
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AdobeWanKenobi · 21/09/2021 23:50

@Mookie81
Not my fault you didn't read the fucking thread love, but if the best you've got is a nIt pick at my autocorrect then knock your little self out. 😂

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Honeylemontea · 22/09/2021 00:02

Are you in Spain or Portugal? If so let me now. I have lived in both capitals and know how these things work there

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50ShadesOfCatholic · 22/09/2021 00:06

Kids don't learn a damn thing except how to survive if they don't belong. Just get her out of there, nothing is more important than her well-being.

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Mamanyt · 22/09/2021 01:52

Speaking from miserable personal experience, if she is THAT unhappy, most of the "advantages" of her "excellent" school are lost on her. Find her somewhere that she fits in better, and she will learn more, regardless.

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GreenUp · 22/09/2021 02:10

Your poor daughter. Please, please move her - it's heartbreaking to read what she is having to put up with - nobody should be subjected to that kind of treatment and she only has one childhood - there's no second chance here.

Once a whole class of kids stigmatise one person, the stigma ever goes away (until the kid leaves) and she'll be traumatised for life. Your daughter deserves to feel safe and wanted at school.

Also get her assessed for autism, ADHD - so you and a future school can better meet any learning and social needs she might have.

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Travelledtheworld · 22/09/2021 03:19

Poor kid.
Yes move her and also get her assessed for ASD/ dyspraxia.
Good luck.

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mrssunshinexxx · 22/09/2021 03:24

@sunnydaysarenotenough this broke my heart what a set of nasty individuals I would raise hell.
I would also take her out and move to a different school if the education is good you will have to do more with her at home, better that than her being bullied day in day out what a miserable life for her . I really hope things turn a corner I really feel for you both I just can't imagine being in this situation with my daughter how cruel are kids !

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Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 22/09/2021 06:04

Remove her. Today.
Can you imagine going to work every day, being ostracised and then told you have to stay another few years- and succeed at it?

Awful.

Vis à vis German schools, it is definitely like that, as are schools in Austria and Switzerland. I'm starting to wonder as I get older and see more schools in more countries whether British schools are the outliers by not tolerating bullying - because this is what it is.

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flightofthewilderbeast · 22/09/2021 06:23

My (British) nephews grew up in the international school system in a few different countries- the last chunk in Spain. My sister opted for the IB curriculum in American international schools over the British. It was a fabulous education, both happy and doing really well in British universities now. Neither were very popular in school (o do with personality/interests not because they were British) but had a couple of close friends, were happy and never bullied.

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flightofthewilderbeast · 22/09/2021 06:24

My main point being that the IB curriculum is really good- I am a teacher in UK and wish we had that approach to education here!

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JesusInTheCabbageVan · 22/09/2021 09:07

[quote JaniieJones]@JesusInTheCabbageVan do get over yourself. We can all disagree, I disagreed with the pp's comments but you must debate like a grown up, stop being a clipboard waving bossy boots telling people off Confused.[/quote]
You're quite right, only an absolute dick would say those things. I don't know what came over me, maybe I was hacked? Confused

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kirinm · 22/09/2021 09:37

@Alonelonelylonersbadidea

Remove her. Today.
Can you imagine going to work every day, being ostracised and then told you have to stay another few years- and succeed at it?

Awful.

Vis à vis German schools, it is definitely like that, as are schools in Austria and Switzerland. I'm starting to wonder as I get older and see more schools in more countries whether British schools are the outliers by not tolerating bullying - because this is what it is.


British schools talk the talk on bullying but in the vast majority of cases, they cannot deal with it. I can guarantee that most bullying victims end up leaving the school rather than the bully.
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PricklesTheHedgehog · 22/09/2021 10:05

I would look into moving your DD. An unhappy childhood is awful.

Meantime, also address her personal skills. It's possible that some of the other children's and teachers' views might just have some truth. Work together to see if she can be upskilled :

How to make friendly chitchat
How to initiate friendships
How to show friends they are valued
Caring, sharing, paying compliments
How to win and how to lose
How to respond to unwanted comments
How to interact with teachers
Looking for the good in situations
Personal hygiene - clean clothes, washing hands, coughing without covering face, not sucking pencils or picking nose whatever
Personal space
General positivity - showing a happy face

Wishing her lots of luck

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nosecondchance · 22/09/2021 11:47

I am just a bit shocked by the 'try to fit in' advise. It is not something you can 'try'. You either fit in, or you don't, and people usually have a pretty good radar for those who 'try' (and generally often fail) to fit in. Children can be cruel, and will pick up on the smallest thing, really anything, to justify their exclusion. There will probably be other kids with the 'wrong' shoes, but for them this will not be a reason to be bullied, as they are generally considered 'acceptable'.

OP's daughter finds herself on the wrong side of the other kids now, and anything, however innocuous, will be used as ammunition. OP's daughter needs a place where she is accepted for who she is, and this requires a move. Even if the school gets its act together on bullying, the best thing she can hope for now is to be tolerated, which is no way for the girl to live.

As some PPs, I have been there. I was bullied from ages 7-17. Every time I would move to a new school level, there would be kids coming along from my previous years, who would quickly teach my new classmates that liking me was profoundly uncool. The reasons were manifold: being quite clever, being 'ugly' (actually, 'Ugly' was my school nickname), having the 'wrong' dialect (we moved from a different part of the country), not being fashionable enough, not being from the same religion as the other kids, etc. All things that were largely out of my control, and I couldn't adjust to 'fit in'.

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georgarina · 22/09/2021 11:49

@Honeylemontea

Are you in Spain or Portugal? If so let me now. I have lived in both capitals and know how these things work there

Or Italy. One of my (male) friends went to school there and sounds like a similar experiences - superficiality, bullying, 'everyone has to wear the same brand of jeans' etc
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Macncheeseballs · 22/09/2021 11:51

Asking an unhappy kid to 'show a happy face', is utterly pointless

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Miffyliffy · 22/09/2021 12:45

I'd move her. It's not the school you send them to that determines if they get a great job etc etc... It's who they are and grit.

Reading your post is like reading about myself as a child... I begged my mother to let me move school, she didn't.

Having no friends in school is extremely difficult, unfortunately new shoes etc etc will notake these children like your daughter and she will only continue to cop continued attacks that batter her self esteem.

Please move your daughter.

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bringincrazyback · 22/09/2021 14:28

General positivity - showing a happy face

Erm, it doesn't exactly sound as though this poor girl has much to be happy about atm, as far as her school life is concerned.

Also, why should it be on her to change? The school needs to be tackling this.

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 22/09/2021 16:04

Thanks again for all the replies. And I'm so sorry to hear how many of you have experienced similar situations.

Thankfully I wasn't bullied at school, so this has all been horrific to experience - for both of us. I'm disappointed in the school, in myself for not realising what was going on sooner and in the children who are bullying her - most of whom who I've known since they were in nursery.

I also appreciate the ADHD comments - it's hard to know if this is a problem when she is so upset in general and therefore not really herself at school, but I am already speaking to a local therapist, who absolutely does not use a 'blame' approach to this diagnosis.

I originally said to her to give it until Christmas to see whether the school could help, but reading your comments only highlights that this is more urgent than that...

Thanks again.

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Bythemillpond · 22/09/2021 17:30

I also appreciate the ADHD comments - it's hard to know if this is a problem when she is so upset in general and therefore not really herself at school, but I am already speaking to a local therapist, who absolutely does not use a 'blame' approach to this diagnosis

Why would anyone attach a “blame” approach to ADHD
If anything it is a physical issue caused by not enough Dopamine getting to the receptors in the brain.
I have read that people with ADHD don’t have a “vein” that runs to the frontal Iobe or that the “vein” is crushed or just doesn’t work.

Do look into ADHD particularly in girls as it does present differently in boys.

I never believed I had ADHD till Dd showed me the symptoms list for adhd that she was having
I said she can’t be ADHD as I had all those symptoms even as a child. 6 months later both Dd and myself were diagnosed with ADHD. Ds is going through his assessment

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Mummyoflittledragon · 22/09/2021 17:47

@sunnydaysarenotenough

Thanks again for all the replies. And I'm so sorry to hear how many of you have experienced similar situations.

Thankfully I wasn't bullied at school, so this has all been horrific to experience - for both of us. I'm disappointed in the school, in myself for not realising what was going on sooner and in the children who are bullying her - most of whom who I've known since they were in nursery.

I also appreciate the ADHD comments - it's hard to know if this is a problem when she is so upset in general and therefore not really herself at school, but I am already speaking to a local therapist, who absolutely does not use a 'blame' approach to this diagnosis.

I originally said to her to give it until Christmas to see whether the school could help, but reading your comments only highlights that this is more urgent than that...

Thanks again.

It’s still far more urgent and serious than this. You’re completely under reacting.
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