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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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forrestgreen · 21/09/2021 11:56

She is being bullied. And I would move schools as this isn't going to change.

However, have a look at autism in girls and how it presents. My daughter masked the entire way through school years and was diagnosed at 19. See if anything rings any bells as I could have written your post about how she struggles.

VaizyCrazyDaizy · 21/09/2021 11:56

Can’t believe you have not pulled her out already. I can remember that kind of bullying and being resilient as I knew I had no option but to be there. It stays with you people being that horrible. Give a local school a chance it could work out well with more accepting friendly kids. I changed schools aged 12 and my new school was much better and I didn’t know anyone.

5zeds · 21/09/2021 11:57

Move her. I’d go international school because she’s an international kid and I think you’ll find it MUCH easier. You’ve stayed, you’ve tried and it’s not for you. Time for a new adventure.

littlepeas · 21/09/2021 11:58

I was often a fish out of water as a child and, like a pp says, I am still paranoid that people don’t like me as an adult - I’m nearly 40 and it still affects me.

Bluntness100 · 21/09/2021 11:59

I don’t agree move her, giving her a shit education is the answer.

The bottom line is she needs to try to fit in op. In some respects it’s good to be an individual and to stand by it, but it means she’s nothing in common with any of the girls. And she needs to accept that she has to stay in the one class, no matter how much she dislikes it. And she can’t make her feelings known to such an extent

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front.

She can’t change others behaviour but she can change herself and make an effort. In the meantime I’d speak to her teacher to see what she advises.

Peace43 · 21/09/2021 11:59

Move her schools immediately. My sister left an excellent private school for a rubbish comp due to bullying. The family (and my sisters) only regret is that my parents left it so long. She won't get a good education in a place where she feels excluded and othered.

sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:59

Thanks everyone for your replies. The school only reopened last week, after a long period of home schooling before summer, so things only really came to a head on Friday when she told me what had happened.

I had a meeting mid last year to discuss my daughter's low marks and was essentially told by her form teacher, who is very brusque, that there is nothing wrong with her brain but that her attitude towards school was 'wrong' - so perhaps she is seen as a trouble maker by her classmates and the teachers. I've never been told that by the school that she is disruptive in terms of disturbing the class, or being horrible to anyone. More that she doesn't concentrate or is disorganised.

I do have a school in mind that I know would suit her. The down sides are that it follows the British curriculum and it only opened a year ago - so many schools open and shut here as the economy waxes and wanes. And once she's left her current school (which has been open for decades) she will not be able to go back.
PS - we are in southern Europe, not Germany.

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Zebracat · 21/09/2021 12:00

I am with everyone else. This poor child. Please move her. 2 of my children suffered like this. With the older one, we kept hoping it would improve, but once acquired that unpopularity acts like a force field keeping potential friends away. We learnt from that and moved the younger one in Year 6 and I honestly believe it saved their life. Their sibling has never forgiven us for not moving them though.

TatianaBis · 21/09/2021 12:02

OP you absolutely have to move her. It’s not just bullying by the entire class but the teachers too.

If she’s getting low to medium grades anyway there’s no particular benefit academically to her being at this school and the impact on her mental health must be appalling.

Successful education produces a confident child. This will not happen here.

I know kids who went to international schools abroad and their education was fine.

My hunch is that this is not Germany - I think it’s more likely to be somewhere like Spain or Italy where children and adults are a bit smaller and the general BMI is lower than in the U.K. Being ‘fat’ in those countries is seen as more of an issue than in the UK. Generally Germans and British have similar builds - bit larger and stockier than some Mediterranean’s.

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MissEDashwood19 · 21/09/2021 12:03

@HoppingPavlova

You need to move her ASAP. Her mental health is far more important than ‘a great education’. Gaps there can be caught up or addressed at so many points but her mental health and self-esteem will be destroyed forever.
This. You will do immeasurable harm to your daughter leaving her to be bullied by other pupils and her teacher. She has confided in you and asked you to remove her. Listen to her. If you allow this to continue you will also destroy her trust in you and erode your relationship.
grapewine · 21/09/2021 12:03

@Threearm

She isn't unpopular, she is being bullied. It clearly isn't a great education and no education is worth this treatment.
Agree. This is bullying. It will follow her for life, very likely. Find another school if at all possible. I moved schools in year 8, after relentless bullying every year before that, and it saved me in more ways than I can say.

The scars are there, they always will be, and I had to work hard to reclaim self-confidence and self-esteem, but I did in the end. Do what's right for your daughter.

saraclara · 21/09/2021 12:03

And if the teachers are allowing the kids to vote on whether a child can join in or not id be furious and remove my child that same day

Yes. I couldn't even contemplate my DD staying in that place for a day longer, never mind for her entire school life.

adeleh · 21/09/2021 12:03

I agree with @pyjamafan as well. It's dangerous to underestimate the impact that this could have. I'd move her. You can always get tutors to make up academic differences.
Your poor girl and poor you too. It's absolute, undiluted misery to see your own child being bullied. My son was very badly bullied at 12 and is still having therapy at 20 because of it. I think he'll be OK but will always be changed by it. You can't take the impact of it away.

TatianaBis · 21/09/2021 12:03

Xpost - yes - I was right - this sounds much more like S.Europe.

RiotAtTheRodeo · 21/09/2021 12:03

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front.

I'm not sure how much fitting in she can do when her entire class held a vote that stated she was not allowed join in any games at break time and also she's also banned from sitting with anyone at lunch. Confused

But good for you for condoning bullying.

DeepaBeesKit · 21/09/2021 12:04

I would also being trying to get to the bottom of the form teachers comments that her attitude is wrong.

Children are quick to pick up who is considered "naughty" etc even if it's not open disruption and it may be that's at least partly behind their decision to avoid your daughter.

However it doesn't excuse such nasty behaviour, which the school should be tackling.

TatianaBis · 21/09/2021 12:04

I don’t think it really matters where she goes OP, anywhere is better than where she is.

LakeShoreD · 21/09/2021 12:05

Get her out and put her in the international/British school. Even if it’s not fantastic she’s not doing well academically at the moment anyway and she’s also completely miserable. You’d be very unlucky for it to close if it’s relatively new and that slight risk isn’t worth leaving her where she is, which sounds horrific.

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 21/09/2021 12:05

Your poor DD! If her form tutor is suggesting that there is something wrong with her then that's a massive red flag that the school is not the right place for her.

Am not a teacher, but would be Shock Shock if this was said to me as a parent.

There is nothing wrong with her - she seems to learn differently.

WeDidntMeanToGoToSea · 21/09/2021 12:06

She wouldn't just be moving if she were mine, she wouldn't be setting foot in the place again, from tomorrow. I would be telling them she would not be returning due to their failure to safeguard her from systematic bullying and making a complaint to whatever overseeing authority there is (I presume this is a private school but presumably there will be some sort of oversight).

The new school sounds like a good bet - with things more in flux and perhaps less hardened attitudes to children who don't fit the 'norm'. (And a degree of 'fitting in' is all very well but her confidence has already been severely broken down and, more importantly, the other children have clearly, through the lack of sanctions for their behaviour, been told it is normal and acceptable to pick one person to exclude. I do understand why a PP instantly asked was it Germany, because there's that sort of culture there as well - it's normal for there to be an 'outsider'. But that doesn't mean we have to put up with it).

NCForthisxox · 21/09/2021 12:06

I was bullied entirely throughout school until my final year , year 11 when I changed school. I'd tried to end my life numerous times and spent 6 months in a mental health ward at the age of 14. . I now know I have ASD which is why I was bullied as I sometimes couldn't read social situations with a lot of masking I can now mostly mimic a neurotypical person , the bullying stays with you for life move her school.

TatianaBis · 21/09/2021 12:06

I’d imagine that her attitude is that she doesn’t like school which would not be surprising in the circumstances. She can’t be the only child in the class who is disorganised in school full of boys.

ShuddaBeenMe · 21/09/2021 12:06

Move her. ASAP.

UrsulaPandress · 21/09/2021 12:07

I'm still reeling that they had a vote to exclude her, and nothing was done!

It sounds bloody awful.

I'd look at moving her.