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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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Suitcaseseverywhere · 21/09/2021 17:51

She should not try to fit in. That is incredibly bad advice.

But MNHQ have your back, as has been said. Hmm

Bluntness100 · 21/09/2021 17:51

Anyway, if I offended you op I apologise, the post was genuinely meant with the best of intentions 💐

Anonymouseposter · 21/09/2021 17:53

It's a good thing that she has told you exactly what is going on OP, sometimes children don't. She is asking for your help.
I would move her, even if other schools aren't as good academically. It is always possible to make up academic progress later but less easy to overcome a chronic lack of confidence that can result from long term bullying.
Staying in that environment until she is 18 will damage her. I would also ask for an assessment to check for ASD, ADHD etc. in case she needs extra support.
Any child would be damaged by what is happening to her though.

Feefsie53 · 21/09/2021 17:54

My elder son has ADD and it was only diagnosed just before his A levels. He always struggled to fit in and was the odd one out. He’s extremely clumsy, bumps into people all the time. He also doesn’t under the rhythm of a conversation and speaks over people. He also gets fixated on one subject and doesn’t let other people get a word in. I would definitely look into moving her to a different school. They sound absolutely horrible, could she be homeschooled?

JustDanceAddict · 21/09/2021 17:54

100% move her - never send her back - for the sake of her self-esteem and mental health.

Whatever is going on, whether or not she’s neurodivergent, that’s no excuse for how she’s being treated.

Embroidery · 21/09/2021 17:56

You must move her.

Diditreallylookawful · 21/09/2021 17:57

I haven't RTFT but my gut reaction is to get your poor DD out of there ASAP, if not sooner. We moved our DD aged 8 because of the most horrendous bullying, truly awful. She's now in her teens and is soooo much happier. She's also the one that didn't fit in (in her case she was literally too bright for the school), and is now becoming "the cool one". I honestly dread to think how she would have been if we'd left her where she was.

Scautish · 21/09/2021 17:59

@Bluntness100 I’m not sure why you think it’s funny however this statement

“She can’t change others behaviour but she can change herself and make an effort”

Is the one you need to think about, and about the impact it can have - as several of us on this thread have mentioned - on a child’s mental health.

I’m sure you meant well, but I don’t think that you realise that for many of us, for many different reasons, try as we might (and believe me the effort was and still is HUGE) society rejects us. If you have children, please teach them tolerance and understanding and not rejection of anything that is not “the norm”. It’s incredibly hard to take as a child.

But sure, don’t move to a bad school, but certainly move from a toxic one.

Wallywobbles · 21/09/2021 18:03

My kids have travelled an hour a day for school since they were pretty small. Out 7-7.

A great school and it's big. 8 year groups of 35.

Sorry I'd suck extra travel in these circumstances. Plus further away she'll get a proper clean slate.

OuiOuiBonjour · 21/09/2021 18:04

This IS a bad school. They have a toxic culture of bullying where the staff turn a blind eye to a child being deliberately and systematically excluded and taunted and do nothing to intervene or change the system.

Telling a child to put up with an environment where they've been voted against and sent to coventry and that THEY are the problem and must CHANGE WHO THEY ARE (presumably go on a diet, stop being sporty, force themselves to be into dance) to be accepted is inhumane and really quite bizarre.

JuliaBlackberry · 21/09/2021 18:06

Poor girl, agree move her ASAP sounds like that school has a horrible culture.
I think you might be in Spain because of mentioning that international schools come and go. But, I would still consider this option strongly- I've worked in many international schools and most have many good features. Can't be worse than the daily bullying she's facing now.

mellicauli · 21/09/2021 18:21

She could be happy being the best in the worst school or stay being miserable, being the one doing the worst in the best school?

International school plus tutor might be better?

Also ask your son what's going on. He may have another perspective for you.

Diverseopinions · 21/09/2021 18:25

As some posters have said, I'd be thinking about whether you have to stay in that part of the world, because the taking the vote thing sounds just alien to any recognisable form of kindness, manners, wanting to come across well. Do none of those girls care about coming across as completely horrible, ignorant and unattractive?

It could be a form of bullying which reacts to her beauty.

I'd be making a long term plan to move children to an international school, perhaps, if you say you are not keen on local state schools. I'd think about speaking to a parent of one of the nastier girls and asking why they have brought her up to be this way. I would challenge the school in general and sweeping terms and say these events signify a failure of the whole establishment.

I don't know enough to say, but you know, sometimes having dyspraxia or ASD can make you socially different, clumsy or a bit disorganized and prone to under achieving. Have this possibility at the back of your mind when preparing to seek help for your daughter, going forward.

Smashingspinster · 21/09/2021 18:30

I work in mental health. I cannot tell you how many of my clients report that their MH problems started with bullying at school. Kids are very primitive creatures while they are working out social rules, and once a kid starts to be bullied it is not unusual for there to be a pile on. Please move her. This behaviour is so damaging and the schools response is reprehensible.

undersleptagain · 21/09/2021 18:38

Move her, that school sounds awful.

elkiedee · 21/09/2021 18:39

What is your daughter's school's reputation as being "the best" based on? Academic results, appealing to high status parents, in a nice area? Whatever the reason, many schools with a good reputation aren't necessary the best place for all their students. Is it a church-run school? In the UK some Catholic and C of E schools are state funded but seen as better in some way(s) than non faith schools, but in some countries it's quite common for higher status church schools to be fee paying ones. Does the school, its staff and students, value conformity to some kind of norms?

Anyway, whatever type of school it is and however good its reputation, if her marks are not good and school is saying there's "nothing wrong with her brain", even the school is saying she could do better, but they are not interested in supporting her to do so.

Is the "British curriculum" school the only option that isn't part of the structure of education where you're living, or is there another "international" option for expats?

No one's going to do as well as they could at a school where they're really unhappy and frightened. She needs a school with pastoral care and more sympathetic teachers.

Some of my questions might sound really daft but I only know anything about private schools in my own country from what I've read, and have no experience of my own.

CovidIsADick · 21/09/2021 18:54

I went to the ‘best’ primary school in the area. It was an independent religious school. The way you describe your daughter reminds me of myself as a child. I was also bullied. Horrifically. I had no friends and was absolutely miserable. I begged my parents to let me leave at the end of primary (the school went right through to 6th form) They moved me to a state school that wasn’t seen as the best but god I loved it! I blossomed. I went from being the awkward chubby girl with no friends to being one of the most popular girls at school. Right the way through. I did alright academically, I went on to Uni and now have two degrees. Move your DD OP. Give her the fresh start that she deserves.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 21/09/2021 18:54

Flowers to you and your brave daughter, who has persevered for years despite this horrible atmosphere. The staff sound like rubbish at coping with children, to be honest. Are you sure they are any better at teaching?

I agree with others here that she would be better off somewhere she's not being bullied and excluded. Also, her low grades may well improve when she's happier, in a healthier environment for learning.

Best of luck to you both.

Hankunamatata · 21/09/2021 19:22

Move her definitely

Do you have any concerns around a learning issue such as adhd - which can present very different in girls or dyslexia

Bythemillpond · 21/09/2021 19:22

I went to a school similar to the ops Dd went to
I even played out with the boys instead of the girls as well as being scatty and disorganised and not being able to concentrate.

I begged and pleaded for my mother to let me go to a different school.

I was told I couldn’t run away from my problems and the school was a very good school

I ended up with a life threatening illness, no qualifications.
40+ years later I have been diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia.

TweetyPieBird · 21/09/2021 19:24

If you’re so concerned about her self-esteem then you should’ve moved her years ago! Especially as she’s had a negative experience since nursery! It seems that you prefer for her to go to a “nice” school than a state-funded one. The damage is done, I’m afraid.

HappyDays40 · 21/09/2021 19:32

My son is as happy as Larry and progressing well in a "failing" school. Their pastoral care is second to none. Your daughter can't do well if she is unhappy and life is too short for misery😀

VestaTilley · 21/09/2021 19:37

I’m so sorry, OP, this must be very hard.

In your situation I would explore the English language international school - read reports, look at exam results and ask parents who have children at the school for their opinions.

Would withdrawing her and paying for private tuition be an option?

Failing that, is moving back to the UK at all a possibility?

WishingYouAMerryChristmasToo · 21/09/2021 19:51

Demand a meeting with the head by email. List the dates of bullying eg her class mates held a vote on Thursday 3 rd September and as pupils decided she isn’t allowed to play games.

State you have raised issues of safe guarding, mental health, bullying etc both in person to the teacher several times and the catastrophic effect it is having on your daughter. If you think it is racist issue say so. Name names in your email. Talk out Mental health and emotional toll and depression and suicide rates in teens, make them listen demand an immediate appointment.

Follow up with bullet points in meeting - what are you going to do about the behaviour of students in your school - demand a response.

If that fails - move her - anywhere private if you can’t get into state, but don’t do nothing

WishingYouAMerryChristmasToo · 21/09/2021 19:54

@sunnydaysarenotenough

Thanks again everyone for the input. I've sent an email to the current school explaining what happened last week and asking if anything will be done to change things. It is very much a 'sink or swim' place when it comes to bullying, so I don't know if much will change - or even know if it can change...the teachers can't 'make' the class play with her if they don't want to.

I'm also going to the new school later this week to see what they say about her attending.

It has been really hard worrying about this - of course, her education will have a huge impact on her future, but as people say, qualifications mean nothing if she grows up unhappy.

There is a local psychologist's office near us that specialises in children, so I might also pop in there.

Thank again - it's actually been really good to have some honest opinions from you all.

The school can bloody well exclude kids that exclude other kids and vote against them each and every time they do it- you can haul parents in - been there and done in.

My daughter went to a top indie school and the girl next to her was foul. Head had the parents in the following day and both parents and girl were told one warning and then we ask you to leave we don’t tolerate it.

Now if the time to create Merry hell