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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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bananafish · 21/09/2021 16:30

That sounds great in terms of getting her some extra support from a professional.

There's nothing wrong with her, but clearly a lot wrong with the school.

I hope you manage to get her out of there as fast as possible. The staff and pupils sound actually abusive. I can't get my head around the 'took a vote' thing. Your poor daughter.

SueSaid · 21/09/2021 16:34

Fgs how many times are we going to have a Bluntness critique Confused

LilyMumsnet · 21/09/2021 16:35

Hi all

This thread is turning into a bit of a pile-on against one particular poster.
Can we please draw the line now? Thanks.

ThePluckOfTheCoward · 21/09/2021 16:37

Would following the British curriculum really disadvantage your DD. What I mean is, if your DD were to go to university, would she be likely to choose a U.K. university? Are your DC likely to remain in the poor Southern European country with an unstable economy, or is it realistically more likely that your DC might move to another country with better job prospects? And are you and your DH set on remaining in that country? All these things are worth considering when choosing a new school for your DD. The only certainty is that you must get her away as her school sounds appalling, poor girl.

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TaraR2020 · 21/09/2021 16:40

I don't have time to read all 12 pages but didn't want to run, looks like you're getting some great advice and if its not been mentioned yet Google adhd in girls and have a think as to whether you think its a possibility, if so get her assessed.
She sounds like me at that age and I'm kn the point of having a diagnosis

Good luck!

Ericaequites · 21/09/2021 16:42

Your daughter will find it hard to do her best in a atmosphere of bullying and harassment. She needs a new school now, as well as a mental health evaluation. She can’t do another six years of this: it will scar her for life.

Bythemillpond · 21/09/2021 16:45

there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region

This school doesn’t sound all that great. I would look at all alternatives and go for a school that is “comfortable” and friendly rather than one which gets the highest marks

It doesn’t matter how many qualification an average pupil gets at a school if your child is being bullied and is miserable they will end up failing everything.

Sometimes the school in special measures is the best school for your child.

If she is struggling and disorganised and there was a couple of things I picked up on in your op, is it possible that she has ADHD? The female form presents differently and is a lot more subtle than how it presents in boys. Disorganised, distracted, struggles to make friends, is intelligent but has to look on as others pass them by.
They are just a few aspects of ADHD in girls.

blitzen · 21/09/2021 17:07

My heart breaks for your daughter. I was the same as her at school, except for me it carried on into senior school. My parents changed my school when I was 13 and I was much happier. I also had a nice group of friends through an activity out of school, think along the lines of sea cadets. Your daughter definitely won't do well academically in her current environment while bullies (including her teachers) grind her down. She needs to feel safe and settled. Good luck xx

Disfordarkchocolate · 21/09/2021 17:11

She is systematically bullied and the school won't act, I think you need to mover her to a new school. I have been in a similar situation and my self-esteem has never fully recovered.

Busygoingblah · 21/09/2021 17:11

I agree with the poster that takes about adhd girls. This would have been me in primary school without a lot of support from adults to make friends. I was also bright but struggled massively with organisation and to a lesser extent concentrating in class.

I’ve been diagnosed with inattentive adhd as an adult.

AliceMcK · 21/09/2021 17:14

Haven’t read the whole thread.

The whole “supposed” to be the best school in the area stands out to me as it’s obviously not if both pupils and teachers are making your dd think everyone hates her.

I would get her out of the school straight away as it is quite clearly not the best thing for your child to be there. I would rather my child went to a rough state school where she had a chance to have friends than a supposed best school in the are where she is being cruelly treat by everyone.

YouokHun · 21/09/2021 17:15

@Pyewackect

That's why I sent my daughter to an Independent School - she loved it from day one. Not cheap but she was being bullied and I had to do something.
Glad your daughter is happy @Pyewackect, it’s always good to read about a young person’s happiness being robust and them enjoying school. However, I don’t think independent schools offer any guaranteed inoculation against bullying or any other school-based negative (IME at any rate). I described upthread my DD’s struggles and their similarity to what OP describes. In my DD’s case it turned out to be Inattentive ADHD (ADD) but her school (independent) was hopeless as they simply had no experience or willingness to cater for neurodiversity (it was quite shocking how linear their learning support was) and they had far more lax adherence to policy on matters of bullying etc. Her subsequent state school was, of course, far more accountable. All depends on the individual school of course but there are no guarantees (sadly)! The possibility of bullying exists in any school, whether it persists is down to the vigilance and good practice of the school regardless of whether you’re invoiced for the eduction at the end of the term.
Blackberrycream · 21/09/2021 17:16

She needs to move. It sounds miserable and the school do not sound supportive. Academics are easily topped up with tutors or some home help if you move to another school. I am not a massive proponent of homeschooling but it certainly sounds preferable to the experience she is currently having. There are other, better options. This school are not getting the basics right.
We had experience with ‘the best school’ in our area. It wasn’t the best and moving my child out of that situation was one of the soundest decisions I have ever made. They thrived in a different environment.I think you know too that this isn’t the best school, certainly for your child, but it is hard when that is the reputation.
I think you know really. I did but it took me a couple of years to have faith in what I knew.
I really hope you find something else that you are happy with.

Rrrob · 21/09/2021 17:21

I know it’s been said already, but please move her. I was bullied at school for years and was desperate to move. My parents kept me at the excellent academic private girls school until 16, which very nearly broke me. I had lots of mental health issues. Moving schools at 16 was by far the best thing I ever did.

Branleuse · 21/09/2021 17:35

is home education legal where you are? Could she do one of the online schools

Suitcaseseverywhere · 21/09/2021 17:35

Please do move her.

That poster’s post is a disgrace. And very bad advice.

Bluntness100 · 21/09/2021 17:39

Um been at work, just seen this madness

There’s only one active bluntness 100 poster, myself. There’s been a couple of trolls who used names to imitate and were banned.

Not quite sure what the hoo ha is.

Suitcaseseverywhere · 21/09/2021 17:40

Your post is incredibly bad advice and comes across as rather nasty. That’s “what the hoo ha is” Hmm

Scautish · 21/09/2021 17:46

Don’t worry bluntness. MN have got your back.

GatoradeMeBitch · 21/09/2021 17:47

She may benefit from counselling to help her process this experience, but I hope you wouldn't use it to enable her to cope. Her distress is very appropriate to the situation she finds herself in.

I would remove her from school until somewhere less sadistic is found.

Scautish · 21/09/2021 17:47

That’s meant to be MNHQ, rather than MN.

Outfoxedbyrabbits · 21/09/2021 17:47

Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.

Her current school is clearly completely crap.

I've sent an email to the current school explaining what happened last week and asking if anything will be done to change things. It is very much a 'sink or swim' place when it comes to bullying, so I don't know if much will change - or even know if it can change...the teachers can't 'make' the class play with her if they don't want to.

Does the school even have an anti-bullying policy? Schools can appropriately respond to children bullying one another through various sanctions (including excluding the worst offenders), teaching (and modelling) inclusion and so on. Your bar seems very low in terms of what you expect from them.

Bluntness100 · 21/09/2021 17:49

Um what? This is what I said.

I don’t agree move her, giving her a shit education is the answer.The bottom line is she needs to try to fit in op. In some respects it’s good to be an individual and to stand by it, but it means she’s nothing in common with any of the girls. And she needs to accept that she has to stay in the one class, no matter how much she dislikes it. And she can’t make her feelings known to such an extentThe bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front. She can’t change others behaviour but she can change herself and make an effort. In the meantime I’d speak to her teacher to see what she advises.

This site gets madder by the day.😂😂😂

Moving her to a bad school isn’t the answer. The same thing might happen and she gets a shit education with it. As said she can’t change others behaviour, she can change herself only. That doesn’t mean she’s in the wrong, it means she can only change how she interacts aith people.

Honest madness 😂😂😂

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/09/2021 17:50

The “hoo ha” is that people are not happy with your post. I’m surprised by it tbh @Bluntness100.

People should not be told to change in a fundamental way to fit in with their peers nor to change so as to not make waves with the teachers if it is the teachers’ behaviour, which is at fault.

This is exactly what my dd did over the past couple of years and she was not happy. She made plenty of friends. And will remain friends with some of these people. But her grades, her potential and who she is fundamentally suffered.

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