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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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Hoppinggreen · 21/09/2021 15:22

@Comedycook

Doesn't sound like Germany to me as the poster said the children are smallish....Germans aren't known for being particularly slight or petite are they?
Nor me Having the “right” trainers etc isn’t really a thing either
OuiOuiBonjour · 21/09/2021 15:28

There's actually multiple threads spanning a long while on a completely different site about a particular MN poster and why they haven't already been banned as a troll. I just see the username and scroll by without reading their posts now! It's a shame MN doesn't have a block/hide all posts from function!

Pythonesque · 21/09/2021 15:35

I was bullied in primary school, in year 6 by the teacher as well as students. Someone up thread referenced Lord of the Flies and yes, sometimes I think I experienced a girls' version of that. Part of the root of the problem was the head of the junior school, much later my mother found out that teachers there were prohibited from intervening in the playground ... can you imagine?

My route out was a scholarship to a different school for secondary. Even so, I didn't realise I was a "people person" till my early 20s.

Good luck with the new school you are looking at, I hope it leaves you with a positive impression. As a backup / potential alternative, can you investigate boarding schools - this could be for either year 7 or perhaps more realistically year 9. Just knowing there is another backup option if a first move goes wrong could help with the transitions, maybe. A number of UK schools have decent bursary provision for those who need it to afford boarding; I don't think they'd extend that to international students normally but can imagine they'd be open to discussion with a family like yours, if necessary.

Very best wishes for finding a good route forward.

frumpety · 21/09/2021 15:36

She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade

Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region

These two lines stood out to me, your Daughter is miserable and the best school in the region clearly isn't the best school for her. I would look at other schools.

CheeseCrackersAndChutney · 21/09/2021 15:37

No way I can read the full thread so sorry I imagine I’m repeating what others have said but I would consider moving her. A state school may well have lower achievement but that’s because they’re inclusive of all abilities and not necessarily because they’re not a good school

MarmaladeMakers · 21/09/2021 15:37

@Sunshineonmars erm there is . I frequently lock horns with them because of their wording but I wouldn’t like people to assume they are the same person
Bluntness is curt but not silly
You believe what you want , it’s of no relevance to me
Apologies if I’ve derailed OP

Scautish · 21/09/2021 15:37

There is no Bluntness, only Bluntness100 (who posted on this thread)

Sunshineonmars · 21/09/2021 15:40

[quote MarmaladeMakers]@Sunshineonmars erm there is . I frequently lock horns with them because of their wording but I wouldn’t like people to assume they are the same person
Bluntness is curt but not silly
You believe what you want , it’s of no relevance to me
Apologies if I’ve derailed OP[/quote]
Perhaps you could link me to some bluntness's posts then, because I can't find any, only bluntness100 ?

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 21/09/2021 15:43

Since we're derailing the thread (sorry OP!!). A search showed there were 5 users with bluntness in the name:

@Bluntness100
@Bluntness10
@Bluntness1001
@Bluntness101
@Bluntness1oo

Saoirse82 · 21/09/2021 15:44

This sounds awful OP, your poor daughter. You need to move her. An education doesn't trump mental wellbeing. If she was mine she'd be out of there with immediate effect.

kirinm · 21/09/2021 15:44

Bluntness100 is the person everyone is talking about. She often talks about her daughter being a lawyer and is all over the site. Her comment about how this is the OP's daughter to fix was awful but the attempts to try and distance her from those comments are just weird.

EYProvider · 21/09/2021 15:46

Dear God, that poor kid. Her life must be hell.

I’m surprised to hear that the school is in Europe. I thought everything there was supposed to be better and the people more enlightened.

OP - I wouldn’t waste another second worrying about what anyone on here thinks. For God’s sake, rescue your poor daughter today. She would probably receive better treatment in prison.

CatChant · 21/09/2021 15:46

Your poor, poor DD. The school sounds appalling. Don't let her spend another day in that environment. The damage to her mental health could be lifelong.

Saoirse82 · 21/09/2021 15:53

@GiveMyHeadPeaceffs

I honestly am wondering if *@Bluntness100* has been hacked. Really awful advice essentially victim blaming.
Doubt it, sounds fairly typical of @bluntless100 to me.
turkeyboots · 21/09/2021 15:54

Poor girl. You should move school.

But she is different to the other kids, she's not local, you and she will be missing out tiny, but important social cultural elements of school life. Kids that age can be vicious everywhere, and she's an easy target. She may fit in better in an international school, but they are expensive.

sasparilla1 · 21/09/2021 16:03

Your poor daughter, that sounds horrendous.

From your last post, I get that you're worried about her education but she can catch up or re-exams later on. That's not an issue. I'd be much more concerned about her mental health and the longer term effects.

Incidentally, I have 3 ds's and only one dd and I can honestly say that girls can be absolutely horrid! My dd had a horrendous year 6 from a couple of her "friends". She's not the type to make a fuss, but the fact that she came to me about it meant it was at a stage that she couldn't cope with and needed my interference. I get a similar impression from you and your daughter.

Sunshineonmars · 21/09/2021 16:12

@WhenISnappedAndFarted

Since we're derailing the thread (sorry OP!!). A search showed there were 5 users with bluntness in the name:

@Bluntness100
@Bluntness10
@Bluntness1001
@Bluntness101
@Bluntness1oo

But no actual ‘bluntness’. I’ve been here a few years too. Only bluntness poster I am familiar with is bluntness100. The others are derivatives of that.
MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/09/2021 16:14

@kirinm

Bluntness100 is the person everyone is talking about. She often talks about her daughter being a lawyer and is all over the site. Her comment about how this is the OP's daughter to fix was awful but the attempts to try and distance her from those comments are just weird.
Yes, totally in keeping with her usual attention-seeking, disguised as plain-speaking. Surprised anyone is surprised.
LavenderAskew · 21/09/2021 16:18

"The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch."

For this alone I would consider moving her.That's without getting into the way the teachers react.

How awful for you all.

I know you've reservation about other schools, though you being unsure of a new school is better than what she's been subjected to now where you know things are bad.

Carreterra · 21/09/2021 16:21

@sunnydaysarenotenough
OP, I haven't read the full thread by this post made me cry, the poor girl. Well done for realising the situation, some parents are oblivious, even when they're teachers themselves. Are there any children's sports clubs your daughter could join, independent of school hours? Would your daughter prefer to move to an English speaking school? I hope things improve for her.

Scautish · 21/09/2021 16:24

Agree @MissLucyEyelesbarrow but I was deleted for saying the same thing!

MN rules appear to be it’s ok for a poster to flame a child for not being popular but it’s not ok to flame a popular poster.

PyjamaFan · 21/09/2021 16:24

@HarebrightCedarmoon

Er what?

I was saying that I agreed with a PP about moving schools to avoid years of unhappiness.

How is that unhelpful?

Or did you not understand?

Ceci03 · 21/09/2021 16:25

OP sadly I don't think anything you do is going to help with your dd. the only thing to do is take her out of the school and put her in a different one with a fresh start, maybe some cool clothes, cool shoes, cool bag etc, and just cross your fingers. Remember that it is impossible for her to have this "good education" if she is not happy in her own mind. And she's not. I really think you need to listen to her. And having been bullied myself in school, and my dd been bullied, sadly, talking with teachers, blah blah blah, just doesnt help. It is frustrating that the bullies get to stay where they are, and the bullied have to move, but it's just a fact of life IMO

maddening · 21/09/2021 16:26

Move heaven and earth to move schools no matter how hard it is, do not let your dd be crushed like this.

Nocutenamesleft · 21/09/2021 16:30

My daughter was 5 when she was first bullied

It took me another 3!years to finally pull her out of school

It was the best thing I ever did and I kick myself I didn’t do it sooner. My child has transformed. She’s the bubbly. Happy child she should be now.

I’d take her out. Regardless. I’d take her out.

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