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Do I need to get a grip when it comes to my nanny?

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AdifferentGoat · 18/09/2021 11:55

Am fully ready to be told I am being a gigantic cow but figured I'd ask. So, just to quickly sum it up, I am finally back at work (part-time) but am working from home (long story but essentially I am searching for financial freedom). As many recommended since my husband works day and night and is able to contribute when it comes to child work, I hired a nanny to take care of my child while I work...
It all sounds nice and all. I should be ecstatic. I mean it is the ideal situation. I get to work and know my child is being taken care of... But I cannot STAND her. Something about her just rubs me the wrong way. I have felt this for the past few months but always chalked it up to me being oversensitive.
If I sound deranged, it's because I feel deranged! Let me give a few examples. I recently asked if she could please not change my daughter's diaper in the living room. The look she gave me was like I asked her to clean up the blood from a body I murdered. So then I figured, okay maybe I am being a little anal and kind gave it a rest. However last night I went out for the first time in MONTHS. I asked if she could sit her while I was out (I am of course paying her for the additional hours). My husband is traveling so I figured it would be safest to hire her for the evening vs someone new. So she comes over but didn't annouce her presence. I was playing with my child and shouting random songs (as you do) and nanny suddenly 'appears' (she has her own keys). I yelped as seriously thought a ghost had appeared. That and I was in my underwear assuming I was home alone!! I looked at her and said oh my I didn't know you were here! And she gave me a silent look and said 'Yes. Yes i have been here for a hour'. She seemed off (again) but figured I'd ask if she was okay. She said she was okay. I kind of left it at that and went out.
Anyway to finally get to the end of this convoluted post, am I crazy for assuming this woman has bad energy? The easiest solution is to find someone else but she has such a good relationship with my child and my child has bonded to her. That and I need to work! How do I just fire someone because they have bad vibes?? Maybe I am the issue? If you have read this far. Thank you. I just don't know what to do.

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AdifferentGoat · 23/09/2021 07:55

@Mothinmykecks

OP, apologies - I've not RTFT in it's entirety but it strikes me that this nanny doesn't regard you as en employer - the inability to compose her moods, her lack of emotional control, her refusal to respect your boundaries and frankly, her manipulative behaviour after you initially turned her down for the loan.

If it wasn't for that loan, I'd be looking to terminate her contract.

As it stands, you need to set up a payment plan - it really sounds to be that she sees you as a cash cow or at the very least, she doesn't see the employer/employee relationship.

Maybe she adores your daughter, but her behaviour suggests to me that there is further trouble ahead.

I don't know what to suggest - do you have evidence of the loan? What is her employment contract?

Yes. I have evidence of loan but I found out just today, she went to my husband and asked for an advance. He must have forgotten about the previous advance. All these message gave me courage so I walked into the room and said right. infront of him and nanny. Hi Nanny did you mention to husband that you had asked for an advance from me? She looked like a deer caught in headlights and said oh... Ok. I will pay that back? I then said from now on ALL money goes through me. No asking husband. Me. Also I have installed cameras. I am actively searching for someone else. I just want this woman out of my home and will keep my wits about me until I do. I don't care if I have to work all hours of night, I will do so and build my confidence but till then I will not let her undermine me nor let my husband do the same either. I had an excellent session with my therapist who supported that I am indeed not going crazy but am someone in a vulnerable place and I will get better. I already feel far stronger. Thank you all.
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LuaDipa · 23/09/2021 08:08

Look, the nanny is taking the absolute piss and just needs to go. You don’t need your dh’s permission, or him questioning your perfectly valid decision so don’t involve him, just find a replacement ASAP, get rid and tell him when it’s done.

In the meantime, whenever the nanny is walking around with a face like a slapped arse or opening doors when you are in meetings, pull her on it. Tell her that it’s not acceptable. Query why she would open a closed door when you have specifically asked her not to. Or whenever she is looking fed up, bring up the money she owes you.

Don’t feel bad. This woman has been systematically taking advantage of you at your lowest ebb with post natal depression. She isn’t your friend and she doesn’t deserve your kindness. She is an employee and a sub-standard one at that.

You don’t need to doubt yourself. Your husband is fucking useless, you have a new job, a baby and your nanny is taking advantage and not only are you coping, you are seeking advice and looking to take meaningful action. You are doing fantastically well with very limited choices. You can deal with this and you will feel so much better when you do. Be as kind to yourself as you have been to the piss-taking nanny.Flowers

LuaDipa · 23/09/2021 08:09

Just seen your update op. That’s excellent news, well done.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 23/09/2021 08:37

www.nannypaye.co.uk/blog?title=Using%20a%20Nanny%20Cam%20in%20the%20UK

I wouldn't use cameras without informing her.

AdifferentGoat · 23/09/2021 08:41

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

www.nannypaye.co.uk/blog?title=Using%20a%20Nanny%20Cam%20in%20the%20UK

I wouldn't use cameras without informing her.

Of course. I told her I had put a camera up. I am not looking to invade anyone's privacy. She is well aware. I have put them only in the nursery.
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Grellbunt · 23/09/2021 08:53

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

www.nannypaye.co.uk/blog?title=Using%20a%20Nanny%20Cam%20in%20the%20UK

I wouldn't use cameras without informing her.

Alright smarty pants- she HAS told her
Droite · 23/09/2021 09:04

When you get rid of this nanny,, I would suggest you do so without notice and tell her you will write off the loan as pay in lieu of notice.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 23/09/2021 09:08

Alright smarty pants- she HAS told her

Why so snippy? I was trying to save the OP even more bother.Confused

CityMumma78 · 23/09/2021 10:10

Good morning OP,

I have read all of your posts relating to this thread, wow it feels like a script to a movie!

First of all you should know that working whilst under the uncomfortable pressure of probation is genuinely tough. Then add into that a really weird nanny, absent husband and depression and I think you are pretty amazing to still be functioning!!

You need to break this situation down into bite sized pieces otherwise you will just get overwhelmed by the enormity of your life right now -

  1. Start looking for another nanny or day care options. An arrangement that is detached from your home and family life, i.e. not live in.

  2. Once a new arrangement has been formalised fire the nanny. Make sure you you keep it professional but US employment law can be pretty brutal to the employee so as long as you manage the situation there can be no repercussions. You are an employer, you are not the nanny’s friend nor are you responsible for her family and poor financial management. Write off the loan and move on from this bizarre arrangement without guilt as the nanny has been taking huge advantage of your vulnerability and kind nature.

  3. Keep focused at work and give a good account of yourself so you pass probation and get the higher paid permanent role. Then save save save so you can become financially independent.

  4. Look at booking up therapy sessions (counselling can happen over the phone in the UK so I’m sure there would be something similar in the US). You need to talk to someone objective so you can get clarity on everything going on in your life right now and rationally make plans for your future.

  5. Enjoy your baby. You really do come across as a wonderful person and an amazing mum. You don’t need a workaholic husband who makes you perpetually doubt yourself to complete your family.

I think the responses here have been overwhelming positive in your favour. Please take strength from all the support and care shown to you by complete strangers on this group. Your situation and sleep deprivation will feed your mood and exacerbate your depression, making a few changes will lift the darkness that is engulfing you. This is a challenging time but you are organised and this isn’t insurmountable, keep upbeat and smiling, I’m rooting for you OP, you’ve got this xx

Angie1403 · 23/09/2021 12:51

Having seen your recent posts OP I just wanted you to know that I am immensely impressed by you; you have been through & ARE going through so much right now & you are GETTING IT DONE! Im so happy you found a therapist, you deserve emotional support & more of it than a bunch of anonymous individuals can provide but I think it's safe to say that we are all here for you, we are rooting for you & we support you & your choices. I think you are really brave & I get the impression you are really pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone with your nanny troubles. My best wishes for the new job, long may you continue.
Personally, I'd give yourself 6-9 months & then speak to some recruitment consultants to see where the market is & where you fit into it given your pre-baby experience/skills (you had said that you have taken a role lower than your credentials would merit so it sounds like you have chosen a new sector to work in?). The fact you are currently working makes it easier to get employed in some ways so if by talking to some specialists can get you into a role with more money quickly then you are closer to your goal of financial freedom.
I also think that you reasserting yourself as the employer with nanny in front of your husband might also give him reason to pause his relentless belittling; you are showing strength & he seems like a weak person from your writing. I don't doubt he has his own pressures which could stem from his being the sole breadwinner until recently (his reference to having 'invested' in your healthcare) and I do wonder about his refrain of you "not being a victim" - I think he has previously viewed you as a strong person & he isn't good at handling your PND which is callous of him and not something you need.

ChickenSchnitzel · 23/09/2021 13:03

Well done OP, stay strong.

coinkidinks · 23/09/2021 13:32

Wow @AdifferentGoat well done, great update, and can really tell how difficult and huge a step this was for you to take in terms of confronting her directly!

Absolutely fantastic, don't let her wear you down or get taken in by her moods and waterworks any longer. And I agree with @Droite above, I would end her contract without notice and say her loan will be in lieu of the notice period. Also surely she is breaching your contract by staying at weekends and constantly taking advances & loans, so legally you shouldn't even need to give notice as she has breached your contract multiple times.

All the best with your new job, and good luck finding a new nanny!

rainbowstardrops · 23/09/2021 15:59

Apologies if I've missed an update or several but why have you put cameras up when you said she has a good relationship with your child?
I've been a nanny and suspect there were cameras up (without my permission) but if I knew they were up then I'd drop you like a hot potato!!!
It's you who has an issue with her so what on earth are you thinking you might see on a camera???
Again, apologies if I've missed a whole chunk of info but I've been dealing with a close family bereavement just recently.

Blondeshavemorefun · 23/09/2021 16:39

Why have you installed cameras

billy1966 · 23/09/2021 18:04

Great update OP.

Keep posting, you are so much stronger than you realise.

Flowers
Grellbunt · 23/09/2021 18:18

Yep - keep going!!

Preferpetstopeople · 23/09/2021 18:35

You are definitely not being unreasonable! She’s in your home and if you don’t feel comfortable then the chances are there is something off!
If my employer told me not to change a nappy in a particular room I’d be totally fine with that and definitely wouldn’t make a face! As for letting myself in, I’ve had keys for all my previous families homes and even before I let myself in I’d do a distinctive knock so they knew it was me and then open the door! This was to prevent any roaming in your underwear situations which very nearly happened the first (and only time) I didn’t knock first!
It’s great your little one has bonded so well with her but chances are they’ll connect beautifully with another nanny too! I say write down the things that made you uncomfortable/that you weren’t happy with or weren’t professional or as to contract etc and talk to your nanny. If you are after a nanny then I’m looking for a new job 😂 best of luck resolving this!

TreadLightly3 · 29/09/2021 17:02

Hey @AdifferentGoat so happy to read your update and that you have regained some much deserved faith in yourself!! Best of luck, you’ve got this!! Xx

Grellbunt · 30/09/2021 14:47

How are you doing OP? No need to respond if you don't want to though.

AdifferentGoat · 03/10/2021 09:08

Hi all,

(warning : update is long and repetitive at points so bear with me Grin)

Wanted to give you all an update as I have appreciated the support. Since my last post, I have set up cameras in the home. Our nanny is fully aware. No private areas. As I said, I have absolutely no interest in invading anyone's privacy but more so, it is just to keep an eye on my child and ensure all is well. I have been interviewing on the side but yet to find someone new. But for now this works.

I have also cut back on the almost apologetic air I carried around with me when it came to her. I tell her what I need (kindly and in a civil manner) and call it a day. She was moping around the house the first few days but I went about my business and since then she seems to have straightened up as I am no longer entertaining the moods or searing downtrodden gazes.

She did ask me about shorts in the baby room that I'd accidentally left on the cabinet and commended on how 'pretty they were'. The old me would have felt compelled to give them to her (such was our dance) but I said thank you and moved on.

I'm also halfway through my probation. Work is going well and my concentration is higher. I am also working out most mornings and am actively seeing my therapist on a weekly basis. I know it has only been a few weeks but I feel stronger and far more clear headed.

Finally, when it comes to my husband, I told him I will no longer be undermined in my own home and he will have to change his tone with me. He cannot keep bringing up the past as a way to emphasis his points as where I stand now, I do most of the child duties, I am working and I am prioritizing my health.

But old habits die hard. The other day as we were headed out, I called out from the hallway if he could please bring over the baby bag and he hollered how he was tired of me shouting and I need to stop 'treating him like this'. In a calm manner, I walked up to him and said: so how do you suggest I ask for a baby bag in the bedroom you are in while I am in the kirchen sorting out lunch for baby? Would you prefer I call you or take my hands off the stove, risk baby lunch burning, all because it pains you? He kind of stuttered and said oh he didn't mean anything by it. I then said I suggest he learn to control his emotions and stop bullying me. He didn't say anything after that. I didnt remark once while we were at lunch and he clicking through his phone due to 'urgent messages'. I left him to it. I will no longer chase this man down when it comes to seeking attention and I mean it.

I haven't made a big deal of it but have said I plan to have social meets once a week with friends and he can slot in time with put his own child to bed that night. I also let him know I was lonely and I am taking steps to ensure I am the best I can be for my child and part of that is making realistic changes and part of that is letting him be when it comes to his work and in turn I expect his respect.

He has tried to rope me into some discussions that would usually trigger me like how I don't appreciate all his 'sacrifice' but I'll tell him I do appreciate him and leave it at that. He's tried to bring up my 'behaviour' in the throes of my depression and it's no wonder I am taking it out on the nanny or wasting my time on her and in order to clear the air I need to sit down with her and 'explain myself' as this is what 'healthy' people do. This is what he would do as his sitting down with employees as ensured his success and I need to learn Confused

I asked where was her 'sitting down' with me when it came to snooping through my bags, when it came to loans and advances, when it came to guilt tripping me with tragic stories re her love life and family issues, when it came to he entertaining her going behind my back even after I had said no re advances, when it came to being desperately unhappy and her using those times to ask for favours? That he may believe in mollycoddling people and congratulations on his success and the admiration he achieves every hour due to his spectacular management style but as long as I treat someone well, as long as I pay somewhat they are owed, I will no longer apologise for my boundaries or apologise for suffering from depression. That my struggling with motherhood and doing it prodominatly alone is not up for debate. I hurt no-one. I dragged myself to the doctor. I tried my best. And if my experience with depression was so strenuous on him, then I can acknowledge his feelings but I'm no longer dragging myself through the mud apologizing for it every turn nor letting it define I know I am a good mother. Ok not perfect. But I am trying each and everyday to get better and his comments are not helping. At this point he backtracked and said oh he knows I am a good mother but he was only advising me. I said it is cool, let's just watch some TV. He randomly then went on to say his goals for the year had been his work family and health. That he was crushing it on on the work and family side and soon would tackle his health. I said great. The old me would have gone into a desperate plea re how much more of his time I needed. I told him I was finding therapy helpful. For whatever reason, he suddely leapt up and said he was tired of my passive aggressive trying to 'pick on him' by stating he needed therapy Hmm I then just told him that I was talking about what was helping me re my own goals and it isnt conducive that he relate my own experiences as irrelevant or somehow relating to him. That I am entitled to stating what is important to me as a human being without him latching on to my words and making them into something they are not. And he needs to get a grip re personalizing my life as it is not right.

Anyways to cut a very long story short, in physical terms nothing has changed. Still have the same nanny as I search for another but she is no longer carrying airs. She is doing right by my daughter but no more loans or advances. Re my husband, I don't ask for his permission for anything like I used to. I no longer rope him into discussions. I have let him be. However mentally, I feel much stronger and far calmer like there is hope out there. That one day I will get my feet solidly beneath me. When I think of my future, I see myself and my daughter and professional elevation so I can stand on my own feet. I don't know where I see my husband, I hope if he is there too but I no longer will be his martyr. And if he is not there, I know I shall not needlessly suffer because I am sufficient and I deserve better than an absent relationship.

It all came into light when my therapist asked what my ideal future was and I really thought about it without denial being part of it. The truth is my ideal future is freedom, calmness and a life where I give my child love and protection and I honor myself and learn to respect I am deserving of it.

(I told you this was a long update. Sorry for redundancy but frantically typed as really really have appreciated everything I got from this post. Now to only get confirmed in my role and hopefully learn to love myself and forgive myself)

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AdifferentGoat · 03/10/2021 09:14

Also please excuse the typos Grin Let's blame it on uncooperative autocorrect!

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ifitsnotfizzyitsnogood · 03/10/2021 09:16

Brilliant update OP

AdifferentGoat · 03/10/2021 09:34

@ifitsnotfizzyitsnogood

Brilliant update OP
Thank you so much. I won't let, it hasn't been easy. There are times I get so overwhelmed but I keep reminding myself that no journey towards change is easy. The hardest bit is envisioning a future without him but what I have now isn't what I want either. I know it takes two to tango and I don't want to absolve myself either but I cannot do it alone.

It's also hard to accept that someone you love manipulates you and has probably been gaslighting you whether or not ill-intentioned. I used to spend so much mental energy to get him to 'see' me and understand how much I was struggling but I can't change him. He chooses to see what he wants but I cannot have my co-dependency become his problem. I want to learn how I am minus my reliance on others for happiness. It's a strange new world.

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RandomMess · 03/10/2021 09:40

That's amazing progress in such a time frame.

If doubts creep remember the facts. Keep your eyes open to your DH behaviour he seems to put you down to make himself feel better. He wants the boss employee relationship and power with you and exploits your ill health to do so.

He will resist the power shift as you assert your needs and boundaries, just stay calm and focus on your goals.

AdifferentGoat · 03/10/2021 09:42

One thing I know in full certainly is I have always had his back throughout the years. This isn't to discredit his good and there has been plenty of good but where was he when I needed him? Where was he when it actually mattered? 80% of our conversations over the past while revolve around him. I don't remember the last time he asked me about my day.

Love isn't everything. I hung on to the past as some kind of assurance that the man I knew was somewhere in there, lurking beneath the million work calls, glazed eye expressions and frantic lectures re how busy he is and he doesn't have time or energy for my drama and that I need to believe in the 'vision'. F that. What if we die tomorrow? Where exactly has this vision led us thus far? He is forever stressed out. Health is out of order. Sure I really do appreciate we are at a good place financially and he provides but at what cost? And how much more do we need to reach this mythical land whereby the vision has arrived and we can finally have more than a few stolen hours between all the incredibly important things he is up to. I am sorry if I sound bitter. I know I am.

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