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Original poster

To think the fact that non-vaccinated people will now have to isolate from all non-red countries has been hidden in the small print

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 18:49

I’m pretty sure today’s travel announcement means that if you’re not vaccinated then you must self isolate for 10 days and take day 2 and 8 tests (can still test to release) from all countries outside of the red list

This means that non-vaccinated people going to what are currently green countries who thought they wouldn’t have to isolate, now will if they return after 4th October

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:24

If you want things like visa free travel for Brits and vice versa, then you have to maintain good relationships with countries and ‘give a shit’.

Green countries have a choice as to whether they let people from the UK in, for example Australia is green but we can’t go there

Also, most green countries require PCR tests if you’re not vaccinated

That’s actually safer than assuming a vaccinated person doesn’t have Covid

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minatrina · 17/09/2021 21:24

@CendrillonSings

Are there really people who don’t understand that the vaccine reduces your chances of being infected and therefore your chances of infecting others? Or are they just pretending not to understand?
I'm not really sure. I don't know which option is more depressing.

It is curious how OP has stated that she's not happy with the fact that the CDC would like more research in order to confirm their working assumption that infected vaccinated people transmit less than infected unvaccinated people, but she's neglected to comment on the very obvious fact that people have pointed out - if a vaccinated person is less likely to contract a disease, they're quite obviously less of a transmission risk to begin with.

minatrina · 17/09/2021 21:25

@Marmunia75

Very unfair. If you choose not to have random poison injected into you, that is.

Worked throughout the pandemic proudly, hubby and myself, unvaxxed and still alive!!! Who'd have thought it?

"Random poison" Jesus wept
PersephoneJames · 17/09/2021 21:26

@garrybubblo I think they’re changing that and from 4th oct will recognise people deemed fully jabbed by eu. Fx!

To think the fact that non-vaccinated people will now have to isolate from all non-red countries has been hidden in the small print
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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:27

Very unfair. If you choose not to have random poison injected into you, that is.

I totally disagree with this view too

Unless you thoroughly check and research every single item of food, drink and medicine that enters your body then it makes no sense to refuse the vaccine just because you don’t personally know what’s in it

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Windyone · 17/09/2021 21:27

@Marmunia75 I’ve been vaccinated. Is it poison? Should I be worried?
Why are people being told to get vaccinated if its poison? Can you give me more information? I’m really worried now :(

toocold54 · 17/09/2021 21:28

Where is the harm in them being able to travel to a country with less infection than us?

Apart from the obvious that it would bring their infections rate right up.

I think it’s unfair that we’ve all been through lockdown and restrictions etc for months for people who choose not to have the vaccine come here and bring the rate right back up and we suffer.

If people don’t want the vaccination that’s fine and their choice but travelling to another country is very much a luxury so they shouldn’t be allowed to travel until it’s more under control.

minatrina · 17/09/2021 21:28

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Chloemol · 17/09/2021 21:28

@Butterflyfluff

But you’ve always needed vaccinations to get into certain countries. It’s nothing new.

My point is that, as of today unvaccinated people can travel to green countries without self isolation, from 4th October they can’t

It’s a backwards step

At the moment the same rules apply if vaccinated or not when returning from green countries

From 4th october they will only apply to the unvaccinated

So get your jabs, or accept you have to follow different rules. Up to you

pelosi · 17/09/2021 21:30

@Butterflyfluff

If you want things like visa free travel for Brits and vice versa, then you have to maintain good relationships with countries and ‘give a shit’.

Green countries have a choice as to whether they let people from the UK in, for example Australia is green but we can’t go there

Also, most green countries require PCR tests if you’re not vaccinated

That’s actually safer than assuming a vaccinated person doesn’t have Covid

It’s possible those countries letting unvaxxed in are doing that based on the majority of brits being vaccinated. So again, the vaccinated bearing the load for the unvaccinated.

I didn’t want the vaccine, I had Covid in March 2020 and got over it. I was 99% confident if I got Covid again I would get over it again. But when I got the text about my vaccine, I booked it there and then, I don’t want others bearing the load for me.

I have no plans to travel.

Pumperthepumper · 17/09/2021 21:31

@Marmunia75

Well, it's not a vaccine? It hasn't stopped people from getting it. If anything it's a bloody magnet attracting disease.

FFS lose some weight, run 5k a day and you'll be fine.

In addition to the garlic, lemon and honey?
Marmunia75 · 17/09/2021 21:31

I would be wary after being injected. Come back in a year and tell me how you are.

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:32

If people don’t want the vaccination that’s fine and their choice but travelling to another country is very much a luxury so they shouldn’t be allowed to travel until it’s more under control.

Why is it a risk to you (assuming you’re in the UK) letting someone who’s not vaccinated travel to a green country, that has lower case rates than the UK?

If they don’t go abroad they might be standing next to you in the supermarket

As I’ve said above, if those green countries don’t want unvaccinated visitors they are perfectly at liberty to deny them entry, and many do

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Windyone · 17/09/2021 21:33

@Marmunia75 but what are your actual concerns? You said it was poison. What did you mean? Do you think all the scientists globally are wrong or lying?

minatrina · 17/09/2021 21:34

@Marmunia75

I would be wary after being injected. Come back in a year and tell me how you are.
For the sake of my sanity I'm going to assume you're taking part in some sort of online performance art piece
pianolessons1 · 17/09/2021 21:34

@Butterflyfluff

Can't see anything unfair about it if you choose not to be vaccinated.

Because it is OK from a green country at the moment but after 4th October it won’t be

Good. Those who are selfish enough not to be vaccinated are finding life tough. Excellent.
pianolessons1 · 17/09/2021 21:35

@Butterflyfluff

Some people really aren’t getting this.

Green countries generally have much lower infection rates than the UK does.

People who chose not to be vaccinated are milling around with all of us in the UK right now.

Where is the harm in them being able to travel to a country with less infection than us?

I think some people on here are so consumed with thinking that everyone should have the vaccine, that they’ve lost the ability to think about this rationally and weigh up what the additional risk actually is.

The point is that every time a restriction like this comes along, a few more people get vaccinated. It's a lever to make people do the right thing.
pianolessons1 · 17/09/2021 21:35

and it's not just the risk of the country, more the airport/plane

CorianderAndCream · 17/09/2021 21:35

@Marmunia75

Well, it's not a vaccine? It hasn't stopped people from getting it. If anything it's a bloody magnet attracting disease.

FFS lose some weight, run 5k a day and you'll be fine.

Tell that to the children and people under 30 who have died. I'm sure they run around a lot. Still died.
ilovesooty · 17/09/2021 21:36

Well those unvaccinated by choice obviously can stand next to the vaccinated in supermarkets.

However in situations such as travel, it's possible to put different restrictions in place, and I think that's fine.

CorianderAndCream · 17/09/2021 21:36

[quote Windyone]@Marmunia75 I’ve been vaccinated. Is it poison? Should I be worried?
Why are people being told to get vaccinated if its poison? Can you give me more information? I’m really worried now :([/quote]
I hope this is sarcasm 😂

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:37

It’s possible those countries letting unvaxxed in are doing that based on the majority of brits being vaccinated. So again, the vaccinated bearing the load for the unvaccinated.

I’m not up to speed with all green countries but I’m pretty sure most will only accept unvaccinated visitors with a negative test so no one is ‘bearing the load’ of anyone

I think the bottom line here is that Covid has made people very bitter

Some undoubtedly justifiably, but probably not the majority

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minatrina · 17/09/2021 21:38

I think the bottom line here is that Covid has made people very bitter

Eh. I think it's made selfish people more selfish and thick people more thick.

Windyone · 17/09/2021 21:38

@CorianderAndCream yes but surely @Marmunia75 has the answers?

Total respect to @MNHQ who have to deal with all the post deletion requests………