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Original poster

To think the fact that non-vaccinated people will now have to isolate from all non-red countries has been hidden in the small print

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 18:49

I’m pretty sure today’s travel announcement means that if you’re not vaccinated then you must self isolate for 10 days and take day 2 and 8 tests (can still test to release) from all countries outside of the red list

This means that non-vaccinated people going to what are currently green countries who thought they wouldn’t have to isolate, now will if they return after 4th October

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ilovesooty · 17/09/2021 20:55

@CendrillonSings

Are there really people who don’t understand that the vaccine reduces your chances of being infected and therefore your chances of infecting others? Or are they just pretending not to understand?
Quite a lot of posters on here it seems.
Windyone · 17/09/2021 20:55

@Mynameismargot. Yes I’m also confused. I’ve asked @jade0881 where her research is based but she hasn’t answered. I think she might mean looking at google/YouTube etc so not really research.

BitterTits · 17/09/2021 20:55

I don't care.

You can choose whether not to be vaccinated. You can also choose whether or not to travel.

Plenty of us have had no choice but to crack on and work throughout, have to have vaccines and can't afford.tk quarantine. I literally couldn't give a fuck if you don't want a vaccine but still want to travel (unless there are genuine extenuating circumstances).

Adelino · 17/09/2021 20:58

But even if transmission rates are the same, you are less likely to have it if you are vaccinated and if you don't have it you can't pass it on.

Pissinthepottyplease · 17/09/2021 20:59

@Butterflyfluff

If you choose not to take the necessary steps to protect others you can’t expect others to accommodate you.

I guess this is the crux of it for me

As far as I am aware, having the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting or transmitting Covid, it just hopefully means you have less severe symptoms if you do get it

Therefore the only people those who don’t want the vaccine are actually endangering is themselves

Happy to be corrected though

Having the vaccine reduces the risk of both getting covid and transmitting.
CorianderAndCream · 17/09/2021 20:59

@Butterflyfluff

I am vaccinated - it doesn’t affect me but I just think it’s unfair on those who have chosen to go to green countries who now have to isolate for 10 days
It doesn't come into force immediately. So they won't be trapped there.
Gimlisaxe · 17/09/2021 21:00

I'm another one curious as to how it is going to work with the boosters, if you don't have your third shot, you are no longer considered vaccinated and so therefore have to isolate, just how many times are they going to keep moving the goal posts

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:00

Some people really aren’t getting this.

Green countries generally have much lower infection rates than the UK does.

People who chose not to be vaccinated are milling around with all of us in the UK right now.

Where is the harm in them being able to travel to a country with less infection than us?

I think some people on here are so consumed with thinking that everyone should have the vaccine, that they’ve lost the ability to think about this rationally and weigh up what the additional risk actually is.

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:02

It doesn't come into force immediately. So they won't be trapped there.

It will be interesting to see how travel companies treat people who have paid balances on holidays due to return after 4th October though

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pelosi · 17/09/2021 21:06

@Butterflyfluff

Some people really aren’t getting this.

Green countries generally have much lower infection rates than the UK does.

People who chose not to be vaccinated are milling around with all of us in the UK right now.

Where is the harm in them being able to travel to a country with less infection than us?

I think some people on here are so consumed with thinking that everyone should have the vaccine, that they’ve lost the ability to think about this rationally and weigh up what the additional risk actually is.

Why should the unvaxxed be allowed to travel and spread the virus? Don’t inflict them on other countries and potentially increase their infection rates.
Adelino · 17/09/2021 21:07

It will cause problems for eg. Someone in Germany who has had AZ first dose then Moderna second dose (this is not that uncommon.)

The UK doesn't consider this fully vaccinated. Germany does (so they can't just get another dose).

Currently this person can travel freely to and from the UK. With the rule change they will need to do a 10 day quarantine.

This is despite Germany having a much lower covid rate.

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:08

Why should the unvaxxed be allowed to travel and spread the virus? Don’t inflict them on other countries and potentially increase their infection rates.

Don’t tell me you think the UK government give a shit about what other countries do or don’t want?

Other countries are free to accept or deny whoever they like

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IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 17/09/2021 21:08

Most journeys abroad are likely unnecessary and we all know the rules can change at any point.
People don’t have to have a holiday abroad so if they choose to do so then they have to comply with the rules attached to that.

Rainbowqueeen · 17/09/2021 21:10

Green countries don’t want unvaccinated visitors. Many will or already have mandated that visitors must be vaccinated.
The government is doing you a favour (and keeping good relations with those countries) by introducing this kind of measure given they have decided against vaccine passports.

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 21:12

Most journeys abroad are likely unnecessary and we all know the rules can change at any point.
People don’t have to have a holiday abroad so if they choose to do so then they have to comply with the rules attached to that.

I think there’s probably a very strong link between people who think this flip flopping of travel rules is fine and those who think any holiday more extravagant than a caravan a mile from home is vulgar and unnecessary

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Lemons1571 · 17/09/2021 21:12

I’ve read todays announcement on gov.uk and I can’t see anything about 11-18 being exempt from pre departure and day 2 pcr testing. Can anyone link? I can only see the section where it says 10 and under don’t have to test.

PTW1234 · 17/09/2021 21:12

Great for you, but my best friend who is vaccinated but immune compromised can’t get insurance to visit her family.

I would imagine the vast majority of people in these situations can’t get insurance to travel, vaccinated or not, unfortunately.

ilovesooty · 17/09/2021 21:14

I'm waiting for an apology from @Sugarandtime but given the apparent evel of her reading comprehension I imagine I'll be waiting for a long time.

YouMeandtheSpew · 17/09/2021 21:17

Are there really people who don’t understand that the vaccine reduces your chances of being infected and therefore your chances of infecting others? Or are they just pretending not to understand?

No, I think they really exist.

Some people think the statement ‘the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from catching and/or spreading Covid’ (true) is the same as ‘vaccinated people are just as likely to catch and spread Covid as unvaccinated people’ (obviously false).

CorianderAndCream · 17/09/2021 21:18

@jade0881

Hi op

I agree with you it is u fair. I'm not vaccinated, don't plan to either until I do more research. I am heavily pregnant and choose not to be vaccinated.. I have my reasons and I won't be judged by people who are vaccinated because it isn't up to them. Of people want to be vaccinated then that's down to them and if people don't want to vaccinated then it's there choice.
If you test positive for "Covid" then isolate if you test negative then you be free.

But part of not having the vaccine is knowing your travel will be restricted.... so it's a choice. Travel is a luxury not a right.
pelosi · 17/09/2021 21:18

@Butterflyfluff

Why should the unvaxxed be allowed to travel and spread the virus? Don’t inflict them on other countries and potentially increase their infection rates.

Don’t tell me you think the UK government give a shit about what other countries do or don’t want?

Other countries are free to accept or deny whoever they like

If you want things like visa free travel for Brits and vice versa, then you have to maintain good relationships with countries and ‘give a shit’.
KaycePollard · 17/09/2021 21:19

It’s easy to get vaccinated.

toocold54 · 17/09/2021 21:20

There is a hotel in Wales that only allows unvaccinated guests so maybe they could all go there Grin

I think you should be vaccinated before going to any country as it’s not fair on the people who live there especially poorer places like Thailand which don’t have the resources to cope with an outbreak like the UK can.
I do feel for those whose country says one jab is acceptable if you’ve had covid and think that they should be allowed to travel as it isn’t their fault.

CorianderAndCream · 17/09/2021 21:22

@FawnFrenchieMum agree it's easier for business travellers. I need to go to Croatia with work for 4 days. We will be on a boat for 3 and I have to figure out how to get a test on those boat days. We will need to dock somewhere for tests in order to fly back for work on the Friday.

Logistically a nightmare. Especially if we have to dock in an island that isn't Croatian. Also indirect flights mean double restrictions.

I wouldn't be travelling for pleasure atm

Marmunia75 · 17/09/2021 21:22

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