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To think the fact that non-vaccinated people will now have to isolate from all non-red countries has been hidden in the small print

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 18:49

I’m pretty sure today’s travel announcement means that if you’re not vaccinated then you must self isolate for 10 days and take day 2 and 8 tests (can still test to release) from all countries outside of the red list

This means that non-vaccinated people going to what are currently green countries who thought they wouldn’t have to isolate, now will if they return after 4th October

OP posts:
FawnFrenchieMum · 17/09/2021 19:20

@Butterflyfluff

I am vaccinated - it doesn’t affect me but I just think it’s unfair on those who have chosen to go to green countries who now have to isolate for 10 days
Anyone travelling anywhere at the minute has to accept the risk of it chopping and changing.
SparklyLeprechaun · 17/09/2021 19:21

I don't see how the new rules are better for travellers and the travel industry. You still have to have the day 2 test at rip-off prices, if you're not vaccinated you've got to have 2 tests and self-isolate, the only thing they got rid of was the test before return.

ilovesooty · 17/09/2021 19:22

The day 2 test for vaccinated travellers will be replaced by a cheaper lateral flow test by the end of October.

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Butterflyfluff · 17/09/2021 19:22

If you choose not to take the necessary steps to protect others you can’t expect others to accommodate you.

I guess this is the crux of it for me

As far as I am aware, having the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting or transmitting Covid, it just hopefully means you have less severe symptoms if you do get it

Therefore the only people those who don’t want the vaccine are actually endangering is themselves

Happy to be corrected though

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ForPingsSake · 17/09/2021 19:23

Things have been very changeable all the way through. Anyone booking a holiday at this point has to have been aware that there was a possibility things could change again.

BoreiPuriHagafen · 17/09/2021 19:23

@jade0881

Hi op

I agree with you it is u fair. I'm not vaccinated, don't plan to either until I do more research. I am heavily pregnant and choose not to be vaccinated.. I have my reasons and I won't be judged by people who are vaccinated because it isn't up to them. Of people want to be vaccinated then that's down to them and if people don't want to vaccinated then it's there choice.
If you test positive for "Covid" then isolate if you test negative then you be free.

What does it have to do with 'judging'? You're still free to make the choice not to be vaccinated. And they are free to make rules that are different for those who have been vaccinated and those who haven't.
pelosi · 17/09/2021 19:24

@Butterflyfluff

I am vaccinated - it doesn’t affect me but I just think it’s unfair on those who have chosen to go to green countries who now have to isolate for 10 days
Not unfair, they’ve had months to get vaccinated.

You can walk in to centres now, don’t need an appointment.

FawnFrenchieMum · 17/09/2021 19:24

@SparklyLeprechaun

I don't see how the new rules are better for travellers and the travel industry. You still have to have the day 2 test at rip-off prices, if you're not vaccinated you've got to have 2 tests and self-isolate, the only thing they got rid of was the test before return.
Its better for business travellers I would say. I’m currently organising a trip to France for 5 people, they fly in Monday, meeting Tuesday, fly home Wednesday. Fitting in the covid test before they return was a nightmare. Now they will only need one once they are back home. Much better.
AuntieUrsula · 17/09/2021 19:24

It doesn't really make sense as vaccinated people can also catch and pass on covid. Just another thing the government are introducing to encourage people to get vaxxed

Changechangychange · 17/09/2021 19:25

There aren’t really any medical reasons not to have the vaccine even if you are allergic to one of the ingredients, you can have one of the other vaccines. So that is a complete red herring.

Entirely up to you if you want to be vaccinated or not, but this just brings us in line with the US, Canada and EU. I can’t get too worked up about it - if you aren’t vaccinated you’ll have to quarantine on the way out anyway, so it’s not likely you’ll be taking many holidays.

fiftiesmum · 17/09/2021 19:27

Tough!

BatShitBitchChops · 17/09/2021 19:28

What happens about the 12-17 Yr olds that have had one dose compared to other countries that have given their young people 2 doses? Will ours be classed as not fully vaccinated?

jade0881 · 17/09/2021 19:29

@Pixxie7

They know that the protection from vaccination declines relatively quickly so it does raise the question of how protected vaccinated people are.
Exactly how protected are those that are vaccinated? Not quite, I have had a relative who had double vaccinations done, perfectly healthy and passed away because they got a blood clot from the vaccine. Furthermore my dad who has a heart condition is double vaccinated and took a turn for the worst when he was vaccinated. Now he regrets getting vaccinated. Thankfully he is fine.

What happened to home remedies.

FrothyB · 17/09/2021 19:41

@SparklyLeprechaun

I don't see how the new rules are better for travellers and the travel industry. You still have to have the day 2 test at rip-off prices, if you're not vaccinated you've got to have 2 tests and self-isolate, the only thing they got rid of was the test before return.
And the only reason they got rid of that was because it wasn't money going into the UKs coffers in some capacity.

I'm double vaccinated and I'm Europe right now in a currently Amber country. Amber, despite having only 350ish new cases a day compared to the UK but I don't designate where is green or not.

I got vaccinated to give myself a bit more protection, but I don't begrudge anyone who closes not to on any grounds, and I don't understand why people seem so gleeful about the idea of punishing though who won't conform.

I can currently still catch covid, I can still transmit covid and I can still die from covid. We're also not entirely sure yet how long we get any extra protection for as it wears off after a while.

"We've always had to have certain vaccinations to travel to certain countries anyway". Yes, to places where they have really nasty shit with high mortality rates that don't exist in the UK, so we've had no exposure and no natural immune response. Those vaccines also give us complete protection as far as I'm aware, at least for a few years.

If anything, I'm more dangerous to an un-vaccinated person than they are to me, so I see it as their choice. There will undoubtedly be a few who end up paying the ultimate price for it, most of them firm in the belief that it won't affect them too badly because of x or y reason.

jade0881 · 17/09/2021 19:45

@FrothyB
Well said

FrothyB · 17/09/2021 19:47

Good Lord, I can only apologise for the typo strewn message above. It was written in haste whilst trying to get a toddler ready for bed.

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whynotwhatknot · 17/09/2021 19:52

I missed the briefing what exactly has changed-are there still countries on different lists-do you hav e to test still?

Winebefore5 · 17/09/2021 19:52

@jade0881

Hi op

I agree with you it is u fair. I'm not vaccinated, don't plan to either until I do more research. I am heavily pregnant and choose not to be vaccinated.. I have my reasons and I won't be judged by people who are vaccinated because it isn't up to them. Of people want to be vaccinated then that's down to them and if people don't want to vaccinated then it's there choice.
If you test positive for "Covid" then isolate if you test negative then you be free.

I’m with you on this. The vaccine hasn’t been around long enough for me to be comfortable with pregnant people getting it - there’s a lot of reports of periods/ ovulation being impacted. Best to wait till this has been researched IMO.
AgnesNaismith · 17/09/2021 19:54

Good?

Waitingforthecowstocomehome · 17/09/2021 19:55

@Butterflyfluff

I am vaccinated - it doesn’t affect me but I just think it’s unfair on those who have chosen to go to green countries who now have to isolate for 10 days
If people are daft enough to refuse vaccines I have no sympathy.
RedToothBrush · 17/09/2021 19:56

"Its not fair" argument falls down on the fact its been clear that the rules were subject to change or you could get stuck abroad unable to travel etc etc for ages.

All travel abroad currently carries the risk of getting caught out. And tbh unless you can afford to quarantine abroad or on your return to the uk or get flights at short notice, you probably are unwise to be travelling.

backinthebox · 17/09/2021 19:57

@jade0881 What happened to home remedies. Home remedies against Covid? Let me know what they are so I can go and stock up on them please!

Mantlemoose · 17/09/2021 19:59

I wouldn't be surprised if people unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons are treated as if they were vaccinated. In Scotland if you are identified as a close contact, are vaccinated (or cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons) and receive a negative PCR test you don't have to SI. However a person who has chosen not be to vaccinated has to SI for 10 days. Two unvaccinated people being treated differently. Total discrimination. I am vaccinated but I support the right to choose.

ginswinger · 17/09/2021 20:02

I am not a fan of the current government but they are trying to make it easier for us to travel and revive the tourism sector. For the vast majority of us, the vaccine is a personal choice and now that choice means you can't travel with as much ease as the vaccinated. Not having certain freedoms if you are unvaccinated has long been threatened and now the tolerance for the unwilling unjabbed is wearing thin.

Vaccine requirements for a lot of countries have long been the norm and this is billed as a temporary measure. Let's get on with it and free up the over stretched resources of the NHS to recover themselves.

jade0881 · 17/09/2021 20:02

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