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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

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HeartsAndClubs · 15/09/2021 16:12

She comes across like a typical teenager imo... selfish, entitled and petulant. but she’s not a teenager, she’s an adult.

Interesting isn’t it how people believe the likes of John Venibles and Robert Thompson should never have been released following crimes they committed at 10, and that that Venibles who has since re-offended isn’t being seen as a child who was abused and so should be let off as an adult, yet because she’s a woman we must concede that she was groomed, probably raped, etc etc etc.

From what I’ve read she actually had a decent relationship with her ISIS husband, in fact I’ve read that many of the girls do have decent relationships with their isis husbands, not all, admittedly, but more than we care to admit, and she feels absolutely no remorse for what she joined.

And I don’t believe for a second there were any babies. Far too convenient that the one just happened to die a day after she was found by the media, and if you watch the footage of her with that baby she displayed absolutely no emotion towards it, before or after its alleged death.

IglesiasPiggle · 15/09/2021 16:13

Has any British man been treated the same way as Shamima by the government? Didn't think so. They're all back in Britain.

I'm getting tired of saying Jack Letts again but.. Jack Letts. He isn't back in the U.K.

TheWeatherWitch · 15/09/2021 16:13

Some mistakes can’t be fixed or undone.
If she’d had a baby at 15, she couldn’t just say sorry and wish it away once she realised the magnitude of her error a few years later!

She fucked up, she’s has to live with that now.

I remember her interview after the Manchester bombing. She can go boil her head.

Blossomtoes · 15/09/2021 16:13

@TooBigForMyBoots

I don't think Jack Letts should have been stripped of his citizenship either. No UK citizen should.
But he was. Which kind of blows the “groomed child only because she’s brown and female” argument out of the water.
EmeraldShamrock · 15/09/2021 16:14

I saw the documentary life after Isis.
The women who fled there didn't seem to regret going, many had lost their DH and DC the regret lay there.

holibobs12 · 15/09/2021 16:14

@Maassi

And this is why the UK is such a racist country. Fucking hell. So white girls are groomed and brown ones can't be?

Just wow

If you're comparing her to girls who were groomed sexually- I'm not sure that's a good comparison because they didn't join a terrorist organisation at the other side of the earth. They were victims themselves, not perpetrators

People don't like terrorists. It doesn't matter what colour they are, speaking as someone only half white. Terrorists cause indiscriminate harm. She was no more groomed than white teen nazi sympathisers or incels, and nobody feels bad for those, rightly

Plus she lacks remorse which is why people find it the hardest to forgive, whether she killed with her bare hands or not. The comment about not being phased by bins in heads... she was there bragging right on camera, even at that point. That was another brown person's head in a bin, do not forget.

Cailleach1 · 15/09/2021 16:15

[quote ithinkilikeit]@Cailleach1 that is irrelevant. The issue of her citizenship is due to terrorism and she was not radicalised in Bangladesh so why would the take her? Her family is not there and she has never lived there.[/quote]
I have not said that Bangladesh have any responsibility for her. I have not said she should apply for it or not. She was born, grew up (until 15) and radicalised in the UK.

I was just wondering about the thinking behind the claim that removing her British nationality would not leave her stateless. They couldn't have done it if she would be rendered stateless. The only answer I can come up with is that she would have an entitlement to Bangladeshi citizenship (by descent) if she chose to take it up. So, technically having a choice to not be stateless.

TheWoleb · 15/09/2021 16:15

@MamaEs

Sorry. Might be wrong there. Abase might still be alive.
There was also another girl from their school.who went off to ISIS before them. She might still be alive too.

Blackberrycream · 15/09/2021 16:15

@Maassi

And this is why the UK is such a racist country. Fucking hell. So white girls are groomed and brown ones can't be?

Just wow

You really haven’t been reading the thread.
ShrimpBarbarian · 15/09/2021 16:16

@WiddlinDiddlin

She was a groomed child from a shitty area, who went from poor education to groomed to radicalised to married to a radical muslim extremist...

Where and when was this child to learn anything of use, when was she going to learn how to be a nice person exactly?

She should be here, she is a British Citizen, she is our problem to deal with - the fact she appears not a very nice person, gobby, pushy, entitled, whatever.. its not relevant, our justice system applies to all, not just to people we like who seem nice!

Shitty area?
JudgeJ · 15/09/2021 16:16

@Fraine

A groomed child at that. This idea that brown girls can’t be groomed is very damaging.
I know people like to use the word 'child' to absolve behaviour but the reality is that she was an educated person who was savvy enough to sneak out of the country to join a murderous organisation. Personally I think that this country is a safer place if she isn't in it. Were she allowed back the next thing will be that she will want lifetime protection from those who despise her choices, name changes etc. and frankly she isn't worth spending my taxes on.
AngeloMysterioso · 15/09/2021 16:16

15 year olds are incredibly, incredibly dumb.

Greta Thunberg was 15 when she became a climate change activist and organised a nationwide school strike in Sweden.

Malala Yousafzai was 15 when the Taliban shot her in the head for fighting for her right to an education.

JudgeJ · 15/09/2021 16:18

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Maassi · 15/09/2021 16:18

Maassi
And this is why the UK is such a racist country. Fucking hell. So white girls are groomed and brown ones can't be?

Just wow

blossomtoes-
Literally nobody has said anything so completely stupid.

@blossomties
Nice! A personal insult. Are you a woman of colour? No? Yes?

I'm brown and think I'm qualified to say this thread sickens me as it's pretty indicative of prevalent white attitudes that I come across daily.

However if my lived experience makes you think I'm stupid then you are a moron Grin

holibobs12 · 15/09/2021 16:19

@HeartsAndClubs

She comes across like a typical teenager imo... selfish, entitled and petulant. but she’s not a teenager, she’s an adult.

Interesting isn’t it how people believe the likes of John Venibles and Robert Thompson should never have been released following crimes they committed at 10, and that that Venibles who has since re-offended isn’t being seen as a child who was abused and so should be let off as an adult, yet because she’s a woman we must concede that she was groomed, probably raped, etc etc etc.

From what I’ve read she actually had a decent relationship with her ISIS husband, in fact I’ve read that many of the girls do have decent relationships with their isis husbands, not all, admittedly, but more than we care to admit, and she feels absolutely no remorse for what she joined.

And I don’t believe for a second there were any babies. Far too convenient that the one just happened to die a day after she was found by the media, and if you watch the footage of her with that baby she displayed absolutely no emotion towards it, before or after its alleged death.

I agree with everything you said-but I do think there was a baby. Won't be any contraception out there and she was going and fertile. I feel like somebody would've seen his face. Her not feeling any emotion is hardly surprising

Beautiful3 · 15/09/2021 16:19

She clearly has zero empathy, which makes her dangerous.

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SunIsBehindGreySky · 15/09/2021 16:20

PersonaNonGarter

She will never return.

Unfortunately for her, she is the head on the spike on Tower Bridge. There to remind others not to make the same mistake.

I think you are correct.

IglesiasPiggle · 15/09/2021 16:20

Ben John, who was convicted of a terror offence after downloading almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions, received a suspended prison sentence and was told to read more classic literature. Hmm

I agree that was completely insane and most likely did involve racism. That Judge should be stripped of his position because he's clearly unfit for it if he thinks that reading books is an appropriate punishment for a terrorist.

R0tational · 15/09/2021 16:21

[quote CornishPastyDownUnder]@R0tational you sound incredibly dumb.
Pretty poor if the best you've got is cheap shots generalising 15year olds-most of whom I know are a lot less fucked-up than ur gen🥳[/quote]
Why are you personally attacking me? Watch your tone and curb the insults.

Comedycook · 15/09/2021 16:22

Well she certainly doesn't come across as especially bright. And when she speaks I get the feeling that she has no idea of the gravity of what she's done...she sounds like a moody teen trying to justify why she bunked off school. Seems totally deluded.

Thewiseoneincognito · 15/09/2021 16:22

She can not be trusted.

SunIsBehindGreySky · 15/09/2021 16:22

And I don’t believe for a second there were any babies. Far too convenient that the one just happened to die a day after she was found by the media, and if you watch the footage of her with that baby she displayed absolutely no emotion towards it, before or after its alleged death.

I don't know if she invented dead babies.

What I do know is I had a discussion with people in RL about the way that baby we saw her with, was handled by her and we speculated why they may have all died.

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 15/09/2021 16:22

@CassandrasCastle

It's so hard to know - but I do agree with a previous poster that she should be brought back to the UK and face criminal investigation.

The fact that three of her children dies of malnutrition (I think) is terrible, and also - I don't quite know how to put this without sounding awful - a bit odd? She and her husband seemed to be ok re. food and supplies? Oh, who knows

How are people prosecuted in the UK for crimes committed in Syria? How could anything be proved beyond reasonable doubt than the fact that they traveled to Syria? How is evidence gathered in a chaotic warzone? It seems difficult even in the case of the ISIS " Beatles" who filmed their atrocities and were seen by millions of people
lockdownmadnessdotcom · 15/09/2021 16:23

@Sylvvie

I don't believe for a second, with how much coverage there was of ISIS and what they were doing at the time, the huge numbers of people they were killing, and the acts of terrorism they were claiming, that she had "No idea it was a death cult". Unless she never watched the news or left the house

She is full of shit and she should not be allowed back here.

This. She was 15. People have said "well she was just a teenager".

Yes, but most teenagers who do stupid things do things like getting drunk, going to a pub with fake ID, experimenting with drugs, staying out too late, maybe a bit of joy-riding or shoplifting. Things that are stupid but can be forgiven and they do grow up.

Joining the most murderous cult in the world. Nope. That is the mark of a very stupid, damaged woman, who we don't want here.