AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

[HurryUpAndWait23]

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

Ah - just read about Jihadi Jack. He knows he's as guilty as anything, but the article makes it clear that UK law is at odds with international law. Normally I reckon we're too lax, but this feels very wrong

@MamaEs
They're dead.

I haven't heard of anyone else losing their citizenship and it's difficult to believe this isn't yet another case of the women having to have higher standards

At least three people have invited you to consider Jack Letts and provided you with a link, so perhaps pay better attention. You haven’t heard because it doesn’t suit your narrative.

Is the argument that she would not be rendered stateless by British nationality being removed, as she is entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship by descent? She may not have pursued that, but could do so if she wishes.

She was a British citizen who was radicalised (online?) while still in the UK. Hard to reconcile her online activity with a plea of ignorance of what ISIS were about. However, maybe thought as top of the pile would be a protection for her personally. All speculation, though. She is now in a camp in Syria. Unfortunately it is Syria who are left dealing with many of the ISIS 'tourists' from western countries. It may be very difficult, if not impossible, to gather evidence for any alleged activities carried out while she was in ISIS controlled areas for any court case.

What other country would be more responsible for her than the UK, though? ISIS controlled areas were basically occupied lands.

Jihadi jack at least did have another citizenship

@VaguelyInteresting

It’s not a favour to repatriate a person from a war zone who should legally be a British citizen.

She was a groomed child. If she was white woman you would be FAR more sympathetic. Her radicalisation was a failure of the British state and it’s our responsibility to bring her home, and either imprison her here if she’s found guilty of a crime without coercive control or diminished responsibility as a factor, or rehabilitate her.

It’s not only the moral and ethical “right thing” to do, it’s the ONLY legally justifiable thing to do.

It infuriates me when people try and tell others that we’d feel differently if someone was white. It’s not about the colour of this girl’s skin! I don’t want someone who supports/supported any type of terrorism anywhere near me and my family. She shows absolutely no remorse or any genuine understanding of why people still perceive her to be threat. Apparently all the stories we’ve heard about her are by people trying to make her look bad…. I think by jumping on a plane to join isis she did that all by herself, 15 or not. This morning she’s tried to tell us that she’s the answer to solving the UK terror problems if only we’d let her back in... White, black, brown or Zebra striped, those who decide that isis is the life for them deserved to be left to rot.

@Redgeraniums

I think most of the population really aren’t clever enough to understand this situation.

We should not be stripping people who are born here of their citizenship - ever.

She is only the second person this has ever happened to. And it’s worrying that people think it’s ok.

I'm not sure stating that people who have a different opinion to yours are too stupid to understand the situation is the convincing argument you seem to think it is

Hearing her speak about her children dying is really odd...she comes across as totally detached. I cannot decide whether she is an absolute psychopath or suffering from severe PTSD.

Shamima was NOT groomed. Grooming doesn't involve someone partaking in an ideology that wants to kill innocents and surpress human rights. Radicalisation is not the same thing. Most 'children' would not have the stomach to want to be a part of violence and murder. She was certainly old enough to know, what the ideology entailed. By that token let's also consider all the school shooters, 'groomed' children too for participating in chat rooms that incite violence.

I would prefer to believe the opinion of all the men and women in our intelligence services who would have had full access to all her online records and conversations, to know how much of a threat she is. Rather than folks sheltered from the realities of criminal tendencies, who assume that every 15 year old is an 'innocent' child. Only a personality lacking in empathy and with sociopathic tendencies wants to join Isis - she didn't get this enthusiastic about joining a charitable or religious group that wants to bring about change through education and peaceful means, did she?

She didn't grow up watching her family get slaughtered by western bombs, or be tortured by foreign soldiers. She didn't grow up in abject poverty where the only way to survive was to join a radical military group. If there are thousands of youngsters in Syria and the ME and Asia who have managed to avoid joining Isis - I think she had enough opportunities to balk at the thought as well.

She is and will always be a threat, because most terrorists lack an empathy response, that is what attracts them to the cause. And that is not something that can be learned or taught as an adult.

And this is why the UK is such a racist country. Fucking hell. So white girls are groomed and brown ones can't be?

Just wow

Other countries have done this too btw. Including Australia.

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/11/how-australia-stripped-alleged-isis-fighter-of-citizenship-without-evaluating-her-case

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow
I’m not trying to convince anyone. I wouldn’t bother!

@Cailleach1 that is irrelevant. The issue of her citizenship is due to terrorism and she was not radicalised in Bangladesh so why would the take her? Her family is not there and she has never lived there.

Ben John, who was convicted of a terror offence after downloading almost 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making instructions, received a suspended prison sentence and was told to read more classic literature. Hmm

@Washeduponthebeach

The reasoning of some people seems to be that a child of 15 is not responsible for committing atrocities and showing no empathy. That seems a dangerous road to go down. The legal age for responsibility is 10. She was nearly 16. It is legal to marry at 16. Yet the claim is that a marriage she entered into willingly was rape. Presumably she was 16 by the time she actually married. If your daughter has sex with her boyfriend at 15, is that rape if is consensual? There is no logic in these arguments.

She shows no genuine remorse or empathy. She speaks the words with no genuine feeling. There is something wrong with her at a fundamental level. If she is repatriated and tried in the UK as seems right, all former ISIS sympathisers who return to this country should do the same.

I agree. I’m sure the majorly of children who commit crimes are influenced to do so by adults, either by neglect, abuse or grooming. If Shamima is a victim due to her age and adult influences, then surely all (or the majority) of teenagers who commit crimes are?

@Maassi

And this is why the UK is such a racist country. Fucking hell. So white girls are groomed and brown ones can't be?

Just wow

Literally nobody has said anything so completely stupid.

@ithinkilikeit

Find it hard to believe that if she was white the posters on here would be saying the exact same thing. She is British by birth regardless of her skin colour so she must return to Britain. Whether she is tried or not is up to the courts.

I honestly would. We have enough people in the uk who would like to hurt many of us already, more than you'd like to believe. I don't like adding to that number, no matter who they are.

The British government have taught her that meek begging would get her nowhere.

Has any British man been treated the same way as Shamima by the government? Didn't think so. They're all back in Britain.

I don't give a fuck about how she comes across, to be honest. She was a child groomed by men, then abandoned by the UK government just so they'd look good in the middle of whatever scandal it was that week.

She's a British citizen, or was . They had no business scapegoating her when many other people in her position have been allowed to return.

She needs to come back and face the UK justice system, as should be her right. This whole thing is a fucking mess.

I don't think Jack Letts should have been stripped of his citizenship either. No UK citizen should.

Bangladesh have said they wouldn’t give her citizenship! Why the fuck would they. She wasn’t born there.

She was a groomed child from a shitty area, who went from poor education to groomed to radicalised to married to a radical muslim extremist...

Where and when was this child to learn anything of use, when was she going to learn how to be a nice person exactly?

She should be here, she is a British Citizen, she is our problem to deal with - the fact she appears not a very nice person, gobby, pushy, entitled, whatever.. its not relevant, our justice system applies to all, not just to people we like who seem nice!

@Comedycook

She comes across like a typical teenager imo... selfish, entitled and petulant.

but she is in her 20's she is not a child/girl she is a grown woman. I wonder how many posters who think she should come back, would give her a room in their house.

She's switched from being an ISIS supporter and apologist to this modern westernised woman with a professional makeup job and the latest model cap. Someone has taken that gear out to her and dressed her up for the interview.

She's bidding to come to the UK (not 'home' she's not a British citizen) where she would be a media celebrity and a constant insult to the victims of her ISIS heroes.