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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

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GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 18:48

She doesn't come across well but she's still our responsibility. Making her stateless is just an attempt to shirk that responsibility
Damn this keyboard!

What IS that responsibility exactly?

queenofarles · 17/09/2021 18:58

Would you say Giuffre knew what she was doing? Or was she groomed? they both knew what they were doing .
Virginia lawsuit is about consent.

dudsville · 17/09/2021 19:03

I don't know why we struggle to understand how little power she had in ISIS as a woman.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 19:04

But no one is baying for Giufre’s blood for recruiting under age girls for sex. And yet people are saying here that Begum ‘participated in rapes and murders’, when she didn’t. The double standards are incredible.

huniepop · 17/09/2021 19:05

@dudsville

I don't know why we struggle to understand how little power she had in ISIS as a woman.

She was hardly the oppressed one in this scenario I'm afraid. Even as a woman she had 1000x more rights than others in Syria who were horrifically held captive, tortured, killed

Blossomtoes · 17/09/2021 19:07

@dudsville

I don't know why we struggle to understand how little power she had in ISIS as a woman.
Because it isn’t true.

www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/syriasource/the-risks-of-ignoring-former-isis-women-members/

Plumtree391 · 17/09/2021 19:12

@Cadent

But no one is baying for Giufre’s blood for recruiting under age girls for sex. And yet people are saying here that Begum ‘participated in rapes and murders’, when she didn’t. The double standards are incredible.
I didn't know VG was involved in recruiting other under age girls.

Agree that Begum didn't participate in rapes and murders, she joined a community of people who did. However she was fifteen and went through Hell, having babies that died.

I do not see any comparison between the two cases. It's chalk and cheese.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 19:21

Of course there’s a comparison. They were both young girls and both were groomed and told to recruit other young girls. How do you not see the comparison?

GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 19:29

The two cases are so different that it's just pointless to use one to comment on the other.

Jourdain11 · 17/09/2021 19:29

I think a lot of people seriously don't understand what Daesh was about and how it worked.

Few guys at the top running the show and a lot of vulnerable, brainwashed people who were twisted into thinking that they were blowing themselves up / inflicting torture / being sold off as a bridge to produce children for the caliphate for God and the cause.

Doesn't excuse what they did, but they were also victims.

Jourdain11 · 17/09/2021 19:30

*bride not bridge!!

Blossomtoes · 17/09/2021 19:30

The comparison is lost on me too. It’s whataboutery to muddy the waters.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 19:31

@GladAllOver

The two cases are so different that it's just pointless to use one to comment on the other.
That’s hilarious. The fact that you can’t explain why there’s no comparison says it all. Whereas I have explained it multiple times.

You keep burying your head in the sand.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 19:32

@Blossomtoes

The comparison is lost on me too. It’s whataboutery to muddy the waters.
The hypocrisy on this thread is amazing. People can see through you, you know.
GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 19:58

Read the title of this thread. It's about one person. Only one.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 20:13

@GladAllOver

Read the title of this thread. It's about one person. Only one.
And yet another pathetic non-response. You can’t say a brown girl is disgusting for recruiting young girls and in the same breath say a blond girl is brave for doing the same. It’s sheer hypocrisy.
Blossomtoes · 17/09/2021 20:16

You can’t say a brown girl is disgusting for recruiting young girls and in the same breath say a blond girl is brave for doing the same. It’s sheer hypocrisy

Of course you can’t which is why nobody’s said it.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 20:19

@Blossomtoes

You can’t say a brown girl is disgusting for recruiting young girls and in the same breath say a blond girl is brave for doing the same. It’s sheer hypocrisy

Of course you can’t which is why nobody’s said it.

Everytime you say Giufre is not comparable to Begum, that’s exactly what you’re saying.
Cadent · 17/09/2021 20:20

And people upthread have called Giufre brave.

Blossomtoes · 17/09/2021 20:23

@Cadent

And people upthread have called Giufre brave.
Because she’s refusing to slink away and is fighting to bring her abusers to justice. That’s the bravery. If Isis hadn’t been defeated Begum would have continued to support a regime that raped and murdered other brown women. It’s beyond me how anyone could see any parallel.
Cadent · 17/09/2021 20:28

@Blossomtoes you haven’t explained why a 17yo recruiting young girls to be raped by Epstein is brave and yet Begum is a ‘rapist and murderer’’ for recruiting young girls as wives for men.

You don’t know what Begum would have done. More likely she was trapped and knew if she tried to leave she would be killed.

Tyrantosaurus · 17/09/2021 20:31

[quote Cadent]@Blossomtoes you haven’t explained why a 17yo recruiting young girls to be raped by Epstein is brave and yet Begum is a ‘rapist and murderer’’ for recruiting young girls as wives for men.

You don’t know what Begum would have done. More likely she was trapped and knew if she tried to leave she would be killed.[/quote]

I do believe she was trapped as in you can't just get up and leave IS. However, that doesn't mean she didn't want to be there at the same time.

The fact she spoke of Manchester being justified and heads in bins... it's obvious she still supported them, groomed or not.

Blossomtoes · 17/09/2021 20:31

[quote Cadent]@Blossomtoes you haven’t explained why a 17yo recruiting young girls to be raped by Epstein is brave and yet Begum is a ‘rapist and murderer’’ for recruiting young girls as wives for men.

You don’t know what Begum would have done. More likely she was trapped and knew if she tried to leave she would be killed.[/quote]
Because Giuffre’s bravery wasn’t in the recruitment. Her bravery is in fighting for justice for herself and her fellow victims.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 20:32

The fact she spoke of Manchester being justified and heads in bins... it's obvious she still supported them, groomed or not.

She has said that she had to say whatever she was told to say otherwise her life was in danger.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 20:33

@Blossomtoes but she still recruited young girls and isn’t vilified for it. Why is that?