Page 35 | AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

HurryUpAndWait23 · 2021-09-15T13:21:41+00:00

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences. But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

Samcro · 17/09/2021 16:24

she is 22 so not a 15 yr old child.

UniversalAunt · 17/09/2021 16:29

If SB had got there, seen for herself what was involved, turned right back round & got straight back to the UK, then there may have been a chance that she could have served a sentence & been rehabilitated. But that did not happen.

Instead she stayed put & got stuck right in. We are not fully aware of her activities but from what we told & have seen on video, she was cruel & had a blatant disregard for human life & dignity.

Plumtree391 · 17/09/2021 16:32

@Thatsplentyjack

I do feel sorry for her. She was a child. At 16 I didn't have any interest in knowing what was going on in the world, all I cared about was going put with friends and being accepted, and I did some pretty stupid things to be accepted by older men. She was groomed and someone who has been through the things she has been through probably won't be a very emotional person. My dp went through quite a turbulent childhood and you could see he is quite emotionally stinted, and it was nothing compared to what that woman would have been through as a CHILD. What is unbelievable is that a CHILD was able to leave the country alone and join ISIS! Completely let down, groomed by an organisation that is notoriously good at brainwashing people. I find people's attitudes towards her very unsettling and quite sad. She may be an adult now, but she wasn't back then.

That plus the fact that she has had children who died.

I'm not at all surprised she looks cool, it is what got her through. Who can she trust?

The girl needs help.

She should come back here and be under supervision, a close eye kept on her, and rehabilitated.

SailYourShips · 17/09/2021 17:05

I think in the long term it may be better for her if her crimes are never aired in a court. They must be pretty bloody bad if the the Home Secretary and courts agreed that it was the end of the line for her.

It is quite laughable to see defenders of her come on and the best most of them can say is that she is treated like this because she is "brown".

if she wasn't brown, what defence would you give her?

I mean don't recite all that bollocks about her being British because it is a fact that she no longer is.

Don't recite the fact that she is a child, she's a grown woman. I guess every bad bastard in the world could say they they became a bad bastard because of a decision taken when they were an older teenager.

So, apart from her being "brown"-so what. Apart from her being British-she no longer is-hooray. Apart from her being a child-she came was a hairy arsed teenager when she left and became a woman when she was there-a woman who was happy to stay doing bad shit until she was caught.

Apart from those three weak as water 'defences' what else do you have?

MLMbotsno · 17/09/2021 17:07

@Sylvvie

I don't believe for a second, with how much coverage there was of ISIS and what they were doing at the time, the huge numbers of people they were killing, and the acts of terrorism they were claiming, that she had "No idea it was a death cult". Unless she never watched the news or left the house

She is full of shit and she should not be allowed back here.

Yep.

I watched the interview where she said she watched beheadings. No remorse, no sadness, just dead eyes. She was in up to the neck and happy until they were beaten.

SailYourShips · 17/09/2021 17:08

Apart from patronising shite that lives in the past. She is no longer a girl and she is no longer British.

Whoopy1 · 17/09/2021 17:14

@DrBlackbird

I am so shocked by the callous disregard being expressed by so many. She was 15… that is not an adult.

Not allowed to drive. Couldnt vote or drink. Not even of an age to legally consent to sex. Why do the British courts not allow a 15 year to do any of those? Because a 15 yr old is not deemed competent to fully understand those responsibilities and risks.

Teenagers do stupid things all the time. We often sympathise. Yet so many of you are happy to be judge and jury because she doesn’t look sufficiently remorseful or looks sly or fgs she’s dressed in faux Westernisation with the nails and pout. The cold condemnation expressed here beggars belief.

This young woman is no terrorist threat and should be allowed home to face the courts here.

What a load of b@@@@@@s! You seriously think someone who has sewn bombs onto suicide bombers, who is blasé about innocent people being beheaded, who thinks that the Manchester bombings were justified etc. etc. isn’t a terrorist threat?

She may have only been 15 when she went to be an ISIS bride, therefore technically not an adult (though she was certainly old enough to know right from wrong)! However, she is now most definitely an adult and has happily stayed there supporting ISIS, and would still be supporting their atrocities, if they hadn’t been defeated! Why don’t you reserve your sympathy for those who have been the victims of this evil organisation?

hotmess19 · 17/09/2021 17:33

To the PP saying she organised herself to go to Syria, she most likely had help from grown women who radicalised/groomed them.
And leaving wasn’t as easy as joining. It meant risking your life, your children’s lives and almost certain death. It’s kill or be killed, and young impressionable people won’t chose to be killed.

She deserves a fair trial.

queenofarles · 17/09/2021 17:33

ILoveAutumnShowers yes , the reason behind the decision to strip her from her citizenship was intelligence reports about her activities.

EmeraldShamrock · 17/09/2021 17:39

If SB had got there, seen for herself what was involved, turned right back round & got straight back to the UK, then there may have been a chance that she could have served a sentence & been rehabilitated. But that did not happen.
Do you think she could have decided to turn back around for home?

If anyone is interested the sky documentary on SB and other women who fled their homelands for Isis..

It was an interesting documentary.

Itsmeagainandagain · 17/09/2021 17:49

Ill repeat she is in a camp with isis brides, who wouldnt tolerate a woman in their eyes naked, which makes me believe shes high up on the food chain and a sleeper to recruit more. When asked about the manchester bombings she smirked and put her head down to try cover it and mumbled so what, this a woman who claims to have lost 3 children of her own..

Blossomtoes · 17/09/2021 17:50

There is a reason we don't put children on trial in the same way as adults whose brains are fully developed and less likely to be highly vulnerable

But we do. The age of criminal responsibility is ten. We’ve tried, convicted and imprisoned several children for murder.

georgarina · 17/09/2021 17:53

@Itsmeagainandagain Agree, she's clearly high up/got some plan otherwise to be publicly dressing that way and denouncing ISIS while still in the camp she'd be killed. IMO she must be telling them it's all a ploy to get to the UK otherwise she'd be done for.

Itsmeagainandagain · 17/09/2021 17:55

Yes a fair trial in syria, we all know the outcome of off with her head, be honest no great loss to society. If she can help murder her fellow muslims imagine what shes capable towards non muslims
No brit or non brit should become a sitting duck because of that munter.
We all need to stick together and not tolerate evil regardless of race and religion and say she aint welcome

UniversalAunt · 17/09/2021 18:08

‘ Not allowed to drive. Couldnt vote or drink. Not even of an age to legally consent to sex. Why do the British courts not allow a 15 year to do any of those? Because a 15 yr old is not deemed competent to fully understand those responsibilities and risks. ’

The legal age to have sex, smoke, drink & drive vary now, & have done so in the past. These are voluntary activities however compelled anyone might be to do them.Determined more by social mores than the young persons’s capacity to understand. Indeed if the capacity to understand the responsibilities & risks, then many an adult would not be allowed by law to have sex, smoke, drink & drive even within legal limits.

The legal age of responsibility is another matter & set at 10 years old as people of that age are deemed to understand the difference between right & wrong, that a committing a crime means that there will be consequences & possibly punishment.

So, is SB coming across well?
No better than before, possibly worse.

TableFlowerss · 17/09/2021 18:10

@ColorMagicBarbie

You want to work out what side of the fence you’re on before you start with your insults..,,.

Insults?

You're the one calling people 'divvies' and 'weirdos'. 😂

This thread has clearly got to you. Can I suggest you go and have a cup of horlicks and a nice hot bath. Try and forget about the nasty people on this thread making you look silly.

On the one hand you’re saying it could be to do with race and that’s why people don’t have sympathy for her… which is ridiculous.

The next breath you’re saying we shouldn’t make excuses for her because we don’t for other criminals etc.…

Make your mind up.

UniversalAunt · 17/09/2021 18:12

Wait until a young adults brain is fully developed & capable of understanding the responsibilities & risks of their actions?

Until they are 25 years old?

As a species, we die out!
But then none of us would die young...no booze, no fags, no whizzing round the M25 in a sooped-up can to raves.

UniversalAunt · 17/09/2021 18:14

Before you read this thread, how many of you knew that the legal age of responsibility in the UK was 10 years old ?

Be honest...to yourself.

Pazuzu · 17/09/2021 18:14

If you're old enough to give informed consent about the usage of puberty blocking drugs then you're old enough to know that joining a murderous backward cult isn't a great idea.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 17/09/2021 18:28

@UniversalAunt

Before you read this thread, how many of you knew that the legal age of responsibility in the UK was 10 years old ?

Be honest...to yourself.

Most people know because of the Bulger case

Blossomtoes · 17/09/2021 18:29

@UniversalAunt

Before you read this thread, how many of you knew that the legal age of responsibility in the UK was 10 years old ?

Be honest...to yourself.

I did. What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

Sparkletastic · 17/09/2021 18:34

She doesn't come across well but she's still our responsibility. Making her stateless is just an attempt to shirk that responsibility.

JazzyBBG · 17/09/2021 18:42

Look up @nohun_ on tiktok and Instagram. He just loves shamima "A mistake? A mistake's fucking leaving the iron on love."

Cadent · 17/09/2021 18:43

@Lightisnotwhite

And yet Giuffre is lauded as brave and Begum is accused here of ‘participating in rapes and murders’, when she hasn’t.

The difference between characterisation of white vs brown girls is stark.

Bollocks. Gruffre is being lauded for suing and fighting back against the establishment. A sizeable section of the population still think she knew what she was doing.
Begum has made a half arsed attempt at an explanation without very much remorse.

17yo Giuffre said she was trained to recruit young girls for sex with Epstein.

Would you say Giuffre knew what she was doing? Or was she groomed?

And if Giuffre was groomed and didn’t know what she was doing then why do you think Begum knew what she was doing, even though she was only 15?

GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 18:46

She doesn't come across well but she's still our responsibility. Making her stateless is just an attempt to shirk that responsibility.