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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

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GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 12:15

I really don't understand why people are so anxious to bring this woman to the UK where she will be a centre of attention, of adulation in some quarters, and a constant cause of security concerns and expense.

Cailleach1 · 17/09/2021 12:16

Politiians try and bend the rules of their country all the time to say people aren't entitled to things which they are. Windrush.

Politicians don't acquire more integrity simply because of their nationality.

GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 12:18

GladAllOver are you saying that you don’t believe Bangladesh m’s government when they say is not entitled to citizenship there abs will not be allowed to live there?

GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 12:20

GladAllOver are you saying that you don’t believe Bangladesh m’s government when they say is not entitled to citizenship there abs will not be allowed to live there?
Their constitution is published for anyone to read and understand.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 12:21

They have explained their constitution and decision on SM. They have plainly said they will execute her. Why don’t you believe them? Because it’s not convenient? @GladAllOver

Cadent · 17/09/2021 12:22

*on SB

huniepop · 17/09/2021 12:22

@Cadent

They have explained their constitution and decision on SM. They have plainly said they will execute her. Why don’t you believe them? Because it’s not convenient? *@GladAllOver*

What's the issue here?

LoislovesStewie · 17/09/2021 12:25

@habibibibi, I think it suits you to believe that she is some totally innocent person who has done nothing wrong, whereas others, and I am one of them, believe that she decided that she would have a high old time in the caliphate. There were lots of others who thought it would be paradise, she wasn't alone in thinking that. I'm sure many of those who went are dead. As I said earlier I think she made a choice and that turned out to be the wrong one, and now she has to live with it. We will never know exactly what she did, but I suspect it was more than she admits in public.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 12:26

The issue here is @GladAllOver thinks Bangladesh have to accept SB as a national even though Bangladesh has said they will not.

Apparently we have to believe the British government not the Bangladeshi government.

Cadent · 17/09/2021 12:27

Virginia Giuffre says she was trained to find young, under age girls for Jeffrey Epstein, so she was a groomed girl taught to groom other young girls.

The media has (rightly) portrayed Virginia as a victim, but the same has not been afforded to Shamima.

I see everyone is conveniently avoiding the above. Is it because VG is white and blonde? Of course.

Feelingoktoday · 17/09/2021 12:31

@Cadent

Virginia Giuffre says she was trained to find young, under age girls for Jeffrey Epstein, so she was a groomed girl taught to groom other young girls.

The media has (rightly) portrayed Virginia as a victim, but the same has not been afforded to Shamima.

I see everyone is conveniently avoiding the above. Is it because VG is white and blonde? Of course.

Rubbish.
MushroomQueen · 17/09/2021 12:37

She was 15, 15 year olds are children. It honestly sounds like she was groomed, fed ideas that Western countries are killing us we are merely defending ourselves. And she like so many adults even those in UK lapped it up. No abused child who cannot make informed consent over leaving the UK should have citizenship revoked. The fact is she was able to leave the UK at 15 after being groomed online. She was a victim. There is a reason we don't put children on trial in the same way as adults whose brains are fully developed and less likely to be highly vulnerable.

silentpool · 17/09/2021 12:38

The jihadis want to live in an Islamic country - they are. Not sure why they would want to come back? Living the dream already!

Plumtree391 · 17/09/2021 12:39

@Cadent

Virginia Giuffre says she was trained to find young, under age girls for Jeffrey Epstein, so she was a groomed girl taught to groom other young girls.

The media has (rightly) portrayed Virginia as a victim, but the same has not been afforded to Shamima.

I see everyone is conveniently avoiding the above. Is it because VG is white and blonde? Of course.

There is absolutely no indication of Virginia Giuffre being associated with a terrorist organisation, therefore no comparison between the two. I mean, nobody died (as far as we know), as a result of anything with which VG has been associated.

I do however think Shamima was a victim and was groomed, and that she should be allowed to come home.

ohfook · 17/09/2021 12:39

I hate this. Many many people have been allowed back into the U.K. after leaving to join isis and it disgusts me that the sole one to be chosen by the media and government to be made an example of was a kid who was groomed as a teenager and has buried 3 children.

I think people would also do well do remember that whilst isis are in fact purveyors of evil, they didn't come from no where. The west (including those representing the U.K.) have committed numerous atrocities against citizens of Islamic countries over the years, so it's entirely understandable that she didn't understand the full gravity of the Manchester bombings, in exactly the same way that when we hear that the guests of a wedding have all died in 'friendly fire'/collateral damage or whatever we don't fully understand the impact it has had on that local community. The way news is reported in the U.K. will not be exactly the same as it is reported in Syria.

GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 12:49

They have explained their constitution and decision on SM. They have plainly said they will execute her. Why don’t you believe them? Because it’s not convenient? @GladAllOver**
If she doesn't feel safe going to her home country then she can stay in the camp.

As for execution, she still hasn't condemned the execution by the group she has supported of all those innocent people in Manchester.

lockdownmadnessdotcom · 17/09/2021 12:49

it's entirely understandable that she didn't understand the full gravity of the Manchester bombings

a 15 year old who does not understand that murdering 22 people is wrong, has a massive problem to start with.

lockdownmadnessdotcom · 17/09/2021 12:51

So; do you think that someone who has lived in e.g. Australia since they were a baby but never took Australian nationality, and committed a very serious offence in Australia should be deported back to the UK when they have no ties to the UK

didn't exactly that happen to someone? Will google and report back.

sjxoxo · 17/09/2021 12:52

@Cadent

Virginia Giuffre says she was trained to find young, under age girls for Jeffrey Epstein, so she was a groomed girl taught to groom other young girls.

The media has (rightly) portrayed Virginia as a victim, but the same has not been afforded to Shamima.

I see everyone is conveniently avoiding the above. Is it because VG is white and blonde? Of course.

@Cadent I agree with you…There’s a thread on MN currently about a MNer not allowing her 15 to go to Stoke on the train with a friend as he’s not old enough. I feel like Shamima is treated as if she was 35 when she made these choices… she was a child and of course groomed! Who would go to a war zone without being groomed. I would argue a lot of those in Isis have been groomed; by definition I think being radicalised is a form of grooming surely…it’s not rational behaviour. For me the question is more whether you are responsible/of sound mind when you make those choices. She was a child so in my eyes no. Why is there so little mention of her parents? I think they should bear some responsibility as she was a child! I don’t know what the solution is for her but I also don’t think she should be left to rot. Yes she joined a terrorist group which is counter to our way of life. So is murder but we don’t revoke citizenship of murders.. they have consequences but not stateless exile. xo
GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 13:07

This thread was started because supporters of the woman took her a load of the latest clothes and makeup (they clearly aren't available in the camp) so that she could appear on the video saying how sorry she was than people don't like her.

At no time has she properly apologised for her physical support of ISIS or clearly said that she was wrong to give it. She has not clearly condemned their murders of innocent people across Eorope and the Middle East. This carefully prepared video would have been an ideal time to do so.

She hasn't done so because this would cut her links with them and she has chosen not to. Doubtless she is now back in traditional clothes.

If she comes to the UK she will be held up as a paragon by those who encouraged her to join ISIS and who are waiting to welcome her back. She will be a continuing cause of security concerns and huge expense for years to come.

It is disappointing that so many people have fallen into this dangerous compaign.

Bloodypunkrockers · 17/09/2021 13:10

@MushroomQueen

She was 15, 15 year olds are children. It honestly sounds like she was groomed, fed ideas that Western countries are killing us we are merely defending ourselves. And she like so many adults even those in UK lapped it up. No abused child who cannot make informed consent over leaving the UK should have citizenship revoked. The fact is she was able to leave the UK at 15 after being groomed online. She was a victim. There is a reason we don't put children on trial in the same way as adults whose brains are fully developed and less likely to be highly vulnerable.
Didn't this country try two ten years olds as adults?
GladAllOver · 17/09/2021 13:11

a 15 year old who does not understand that murdering 22 people is wrong, has a massive problem to start with

When that atrocity happened she was an adult who has had children of her own. She still doesn't seem to understand.

LoislovesStewie · 17/09/2021 13:16

@lockdownmadnessdotcom

So; do you think that someone who has lived in e.g. Australia since they were a baby but never took Australian nationality, and committed a very serious offence in Australia should be deported back to the UK when they have no ties to the UK

didn't exactly that happen to someone? Will google and report back.

Yes, it did happen which is why I used that example.
queenofarles · 17/09/2021 13:22

a 15 year old who does not understand that murdering 22 people is wrong, has a massive problem to start with she was almost 18 at that time. Old enough to get a FT job! .

I remember reading how she was not fazed out when she saw a severed head in the streets. And started saying that whoever that person was, he deserved it.

  • She joined a morality police for women, and was known to be very strict.

-Three babies died of neglect and malnourishment, no one should make it sound as though she was psychologically traumatised by it . she seems so unaffected it’s chilling.

So I really I don’t blame the British government for not wanting her , nor do I blame the Bangladesh government either .

Governments aren’t responsible for her stupidity.

She should fend for herself , or if she really feels genuine regret maybe help out those refugees. she was supporting the people responsible for their displacement.

Anordinarymum · 17/09/2021 13:26

I don't like what she did. I don't like how she has come across at any time but she lost three babies.........

She must be fucked in the head and she is being managed by someone here or how else would she have been able to be interviewed ??

She is being used, and until she has a will of her own she always will be and even seeing her on TV is an insult to those who have lost loved ones to terrorism.

She's a puppet. It's a form of cruelty in itself