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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

OP posts:
TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 20:44

@Cadent

Bangladesh ministry have said she is not allowed in. Its been widely reported. It’s irrelevant what Sajid Javid believes.
Well it’s obviously working now as she’s no where to be seen in Britain - thankfully
ColorMagicBarbie · 16/09/2021 20:46

Facts?
Data?
Links?

Or are you just making that up to fit your agenda?

The white ISIS member killed in a drone strike (Sally Jones) was linked further up this very page. Keep up. 😂

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 20:46

@allsorts1

It's a dangerous precedent to revoke a criminal's citizenship in this way. She should be tried and punished according to the law in the UK, just like we do to all other criminals - rapists, murderers etc, who commit much worse crimes and still maintain their citizenship and a chance to rehabilitate after serving their sentence. She was only 15 and there is ample information out there about the power of these movements to radicalise young people. I think she should be punished but do we really want to give governments the power to remove citizenship when someone is inconvenient in this way? Is she really more dangerous in a UK prison than any of the other British criminals in prison?
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
ColorMagicBarbie · 16/09/2021 20:47

Is she really more dangerous in a UK prison than any of the other British criminals in prison?

She will have access to other vulnerable women who she can potentially radicalise.

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 20:50

@ColorMagicBarbie

Facts? Data? Links?

Or are you just making that up to fit your agenda?

The white ISIS member killed in a drone strike (Sally Jones) was linked further up this very page. Keep up. 😂

Are you actually joking or just thick?!?’

The fact that WHITE ‘Britons’ were killed and no one gives a shit goes to show that colour is irrelevant!! You absolute divvy!!!!

Cadent · 16/09/2021 20:50

Well it’s obviously working now as she’s no where to be seen in Britain - thankfully

This post makes no sense, I was responding to a poster asking if she is entitled to Bangladeshi nationality.

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 20:51

@ColorMagicBarbie

Is she really more dangerous in a UK prison than any of the other British criminals in prison?

She will have access to other vulnerable women who she can potentially radicalise.

You want to work out what side of the fence you’re on before you start with your insults..,,.
TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 20:56

@Cadent

Well it’s obviously working now as she’s no where to be seen in Britain - thankfully

This post makes no sense, I was responding to a poster asking if she is entitled to Bangladeshi nationality.

It makes perfect sense!

You were trying to state those that don’t want her back are somewhat right wing UKIP supporters.

Fucking utter bollocks…..

Cadent · 16/09/2021 21:00

No, that’s not what I said. Go back and read my post.

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 21:00

They care about national security, the neighbours, friend, colleagues and family,

All of the a one trumps everything else.

To those that disagree, good luck trying to put your point over if you were in one of those counties that facilities these mental ideologies. Good luck you’re here eh? And you have freedom of speech! Just like me 🤣

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 21:02

@Cadent

No, that’s not what I said. Go back and read my post.
Don’t quote the wrong post then and highlight my post, if you’re referring to something else!
Cadent · 16/09/2021 21:04

What are you on about? My post below wasn’t directed to you.

‘Sajid Javid lying that she is entitled to nationality there and his implications that he knows a lot is just his attempt to curry favour with the Brexit-voting, UKIP/ right wing factor.’

SafeMove · 16/09/2021 21:06

The bengali citizenship is a red herring. Sajid Javid says she can claim bengali citizenship 'because the heritage within her family would allow this.'

Bangladesh have said that isn't true and she doesn't qualify for citizenship. It is the same as Jack Letts, the other man who has had his citizenship revoked. UK are saying he can claim canadian citizenship and Canada are saying 'No, he can not.'

Cadent · 16/09/2021 21:10

Exactly @SafeMove but apparently people believe the government blindly and lap it up.

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 21:12

Bangladesh has said she is not entitled to be a national of their country, that she has never visited Bangladesh, she was not a citizen of Bangladesh and would be denied entry to the country.

Sajid Javid lying that she is entitled to nationality there and his implications that he knows a lot is just his attempt to curry favour with the Brexit-voting, UKIP/ right wing factor.

Cadent

No, that’s not what I said. Go back and read my post

This is what you said though…

BrowneyedGirl2 · 16/09/2021 21:13

Whammyyammy
Didn't she praise the efforts of the Manchester bombers? And was an adult at the time? Zero remorse, apart from wants to be back in the UK, living with a population she clearly hates.
Link?

@Fraine She admitted saying this during the interview and "apologised"

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 21:13

@Cadent

What are you on about? My post below wasn’t directed to you.

‘Sajid Javid lying that she is entitled to nationality there and his implications that he knows a lot is just his attempt to curry favour with the Brexit-voting, UKIP/ right wing factor.’

You were trying to state those that don’t want her back are somewhat right wing UKIP supporters.

Fucking utter bollocks…..

TableFlowerss · 16/09/2021 21:16

@SafeMove

The bengali citizenship is a red herring. Sajid Javid says she can claim bengali citizenship 'because the heritage within her family would allow this.'

Bangladesh have said that isn't true and she doesn't qualify for citizenship. It is the same as Jack Letts, the other man who has had his citizenship revoked. UK are saying he can claim canadian citizenship and Canada are saying 'No, he can not.'

So what happened to him then? Isn’t because he’s an ugly looking older male that no one cares???

Is it because he’s not a young ‘naive’ woman that people don’t care? Probably not cos that would change the narrative…..

Cadent · 16/09/2021 21:16

@TableFlowerss

Bangladesh has said she is not entitled to be a national of their country, that she has never visited Bangladesh, she was not a citizen of Bangladesh and would be denied entry to the country.

Sajid Javid lying that she is entitled to nationality there and his implications that he knows a lot is just his attempt to curry favour with the Brexit-voting, UKIP/ right wing factor.

Cadent

No, that’s not what I said. Go back and read my post

This is what you said though…

Since your having comprehension issues, I’ll explain it to you.

It means SAJID is playing up to the right wing element by acting like the big man abs lying that SB is entitled to Bengali nationality.

Cadent · 16/09/2021 21:18

@TableFlowerss you’re wasting people’s time and have serious comprehension issues with a number of posts upthread.

I’m done, don’t @ me again.

Cocomarine · 16/09/2021 21:24

@TableFlowerss I don’t think the difference in media attention and MN appetite for frothing has anything to do with alerts’ attractiveness or otherwise.

19yo man with mental health issue takes himself off to war zone to fight. Oh look! Violent male, that’s unusual… not.

15yo girl runs away from home to join organisation that treats women like dirt. That’s… perplexing.

It’s just a better “story” 🤷🏻‍♀️

What’s an interesting story with Letts, I think, is his parents being prosecuted for sending him about £200 via an intermediary (partly it’s claimed for new glasses) and that being deemed that they knowingly potentially gave money to a terrorist organisation. I do find that interesting!

Cocomarine · 16/09/2021 21:24

*alerts’ attractiveness is an autocorrect for Letts’ !

JudgeJ · 16/09/2021 21:26

Ok, let's assume that she can wheedle her way back here by these well organised PR stunts, what then? She's put into prison for an indefinite period to protect society, how soon before the same people who organised her TV appearences, the people on here who want her back etc start belly-aching about her being in prison, how unfair, she's female so let her out. Are we expected to protect her, finance name changes etc? Has anyone said what should happen to her?

SafeMove · 16/09/2021 21:27

@TableFlowerss

Why are you ranting at me about narratives? There was a question about dual citizenship status. I answered it from the perspective of what the other countries have said. I offered no opinion.

Jack Letts is still in Syria and his parents have bern prosecuted for funding terrorism as they sent him £223.

JudgeJ · 16/09/2021 21:28

@allsorts1

It's a dangerous precedent to revoke a criminal's citizenship in this way. She should be tried and punished according to the law in the UK, just like we do to all other criminals - rapists, murderers etc, who commit much worse crimes and still maintain their citizenship and a chance to rehabilitate after serving their sentence. She was only 15 and there is ample information out there about the power of these movements to radicalise young people. I think she should be punished but do we really want to give governments the power to remove citizenship when someone is inconvenient in this way? Is she really more dangerous in a UK prison than any of the other British criminals in prison?
What crimes has she committed in the UK for which she can be tried?