AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

[HurryUpAndWait23]

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

What were the parents role in all of this. Are they saying they didnt know what was going on? Really??

And you think that is the same as girls being taken advantage of? That she honestly deserves the same treatment and sympathy as them?
Again, totally missing the point. The debate is not whether her actions deserve sympathy. It's not about the outcome. It's about what led her to do them.

I do believe that she was taken advantage of and manipulated in the most sadistic way a girl that age can be and that it is this grooming that has led to her taking such drastic actions.

I believe that at 15, or probably even earlier, she really had little notion of the gravity of the situation and what she was made to believe.

Thank goodness you're in a minority, @vivainsomnia.

What are people so keen to compare? Grooming, radicalisation, manipulation of teenagers, most often in an emotional or mental vulnerable state, is wrong whatever the intentions and all end up traumatised and with scares whatever that manipulation has led them to do.

It's not about forgiving, it's about understanding the context.

@vivainsomnia

What are people so keen to compare? Grooming, radicalisation, manipulation of teenagers, most often in an emotional or mental vulnerable state, is wrong whatever the intentions and all end up traumatised and with scares whatever that manipulation has led them to do.

It's not about forgiving, it's about understanding the context.

Exactly. Well said. But she is brown and Muslim so less worthy of understanding.

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I wonder what Sammy Woodward and the other thousands of women and girls who were groomed and raped and abused as children would feel about their trauma being used to defend or as a comparison to a girl who willingly left to join and participate in a cult which inflicted rape and murder on other human beings?

I’m sure they’d be as repulsed as I am.

I’m sure they would have more understanding than you.

Let’s hope nothing similar happens to your daughters as you would have zero understanding.

@Blossomtoes

Let's hope it's not one of your child who is groomed by a 25yo man, at 15, and taken abroad

Indeed. Let’s hope. My only child is 46 now.

Well she did say one of you. Not referring to your 46yo.

@vivainsomnia

What are people so keen to compare? Grooming, radicalisation, manipulation of teenagers, most often in an emotional or mental vulnerable state, is wrong whatever the intentions and all end up traumatised and with scares whatever that manipulation has led them to do.

It's not about forgiving, it's about understanding the context.

This.

@habibibibi

If my daughter did such a thing, I may condemn her actions but I would nonetheless want her to have the legal protection of the country of her birth and for her to have a fair trial rather than being used as political fodder.

Yep.

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

I wonder what Sammy Woodward and the other thousands of women and girls who were groomed and raped and abused as children would feel about their trauma being used to defend or as a comparison to a girl who willingly left to join and participate in a cult which inflicted rape and murder on other human beings?

I’m sure they’d be as repulsed as I am.

Exactly this.

Same as the old chestnut by the sympathisers ‘If she was white it wouldn’t happen and she’d be forgiven etc ….’ 🙄

Wouldn’t matter if she blue, green, orange or pink….. people would still be disgusted!!

I personally feel what has happened to her is incredibly sad. I agree with what @vivainsomina said above.

I am not sure about when people say 'willingly'.

I feel the same when I look at child soldiers, at young gang members.

@TableFlowerss

Wouldn’t matter if she blue, green, orange or pink….. people would still be disgusted!!

I don’t know any blue, green, orange or pink people but can imagine you’re 😡 with hatred.

[quote Fraine]@TableFlowerss

Wouldn’t matter if she blue, green, orange or pink….. people would still be disgusted!!

I don’t know any blue, green, orange or pink people but can imagine you’re 😡 with hatred.[/quote]
Yeah for all innocent people killed by terrorist groups. I’m very angry about that. My thoughts and sorrow is for them.

I don’t sympathise with those affiliated to terror groups, unlike some on here….

Could people please stop thinking that her ethnicity/religion is the chief reason people are so angry. I am angry because she chose to join a murderous gang of thugs. And that is it.

Lots of pp have said it @LoisLovesStewie but it doesn’t fit the narrative of some so it keeps being brushed off.

How has she managed to get the smart watch, nails done and get away with dressing (or barely dressing) the way she has over there 😳

@Blackberrycream

Lots of pp have said it *@LoisLovesStewie* but it doesn’t fit the narrative of some so it keeps being brushed off.

Exactly, it doesn’t fit the narrative of the sympathisers.

@TableFlowerss

Yeah for all innocent people killed by terrorist groups. I’m very angry about that. My thoughts and sorrow is for them.

I don’t sympathise with those affiliated to terror groups, unlike some on here….

Don’t kid yourself, you don’t give a shit.

I don't know why they give her air time.
It's so annoying waking up to her this am! Wasn't she also the one with flag burning dad... Seen at extremist rallies..

I think we have all forgotten just how henius and evil isis was /is

Evil. Evry time I went to supermarket with dc a new victim was on the front pages in an orange jump suit about to be killed.

It was awful.. People killed in all sorts of dreadful ways.. The women stolen..

At 15 I knew my political stance. I protested. I beleived in what I conceived was the truth. 30 years later I still beleive and still have those convictions. Just saying . It didnt take long to brain wash her, her parents dont hold her beliefs she fell in with a bad crowd. But and a big but
. She is a terrorist who has no sympathy with western ways. She will pull the wool over our eyes and strike out when we're not watching. Just send her to live with her isis husband.

Not all 15yo are the same. Why hold her to a higher standard than others who have been groomed?

She should absolutely be tried but in the UK.

[quote Fraine]@TableFlowerss

Yeah for all innocent people killed by terrorist groups. I’m very angry about that. My thoughts and sorrow is for them.

I don’t sympathise with those affiliated to terror groups, unlike some on here….

Don’t kid yourself, you don’t give a shit.[/quote]
Great come back 👌😂

@Blossomtoes was right, your posts contradict themselves!

You’re just raging because you can’t pin peoples dislike of her, on her ethnicity because it suits your narrative to try to say it does.

I’ve got no time for those that sympathies with people that are associated with terrorists.