AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

@Whammyyammy

Never seen so much support for ISIS members on a post like this before....

Pointing out the fact that Shamima should have been tried here and that I can see why she may have joined does not make me an ISIS supporter.

I’m not narrow minded and quick to judge. I’d rather we didn’t have any fucking wars. Narrow minded views of foreigners is what gets us into wars like the Iraq wars abs creates a hot bed of terror. ISIS are nasty.

Personally I would rather that the UK was a pacifist country.

I am not sure about the three children if I am honest. She is a cold hearted evil women who is playing a game here.

@Franklin12

Muslim parents are generally protective of their daughters. How on earth did this happen under their noses.

Stop holding Muslims to higher standards. That’s why it’s called grooming, it happens under the radar, the children are told not to tell anyone.

Just because a person was BORN HERE that does not give them the right to live here forever, and certainly not if they behave in such a vile manner as Begum has.

Living in the UK is a privilege, and if you fuck us over and behave like she did, (joining a terrorist faction and fucking off to Syria, supporting their putrid terrorist attacks) then you don't get to come back. She made it clear how she felt about us not so long ago, with her statement of how the M.E.N Arena attack was just 'retribution.'

She is a disgrace, and so is anyone who is supporting her 'right' to come back to the UK. She is just putting on an act - and dressing ridiculously 'western,' and trying to con us into believing she is nice now...

And it's not even a bloody good act, as most people can see straight through her!

BEGUM was born here. So fucking what? She is NOT welcome back. She is NO LONGER BRITISH.

And I'm out. This thread is boiling my piss.

@Iggly I am not feeling any rage, nor I am
deliberately misunderstanding what you wrote. Nice try though. Nobody said IsIs is first or last terrorist group, so why are you lecturing us on that? Discussion is about if Shamima Begum was actually that clueless when it was obvious to the whole world how barbaric their philosophy was. As you explained the reason why groups like Isis are formed, why did they need sex slaves? Are those women they tortured were responsible for western atrocities too?

@Torisbonson

The reason I posted that link, so you can see it was not just British empire which colonised other countries. I am not even from UK but I feel some of you find it cool to talk about all the evil a British empire had did to the world while not acknowledging what other countries and group of people did to other nations even before British empire came into power.

I'm afraid people like Iggly can only cope with the idea of everything being very simple, the UK did bad things which led inevitably to mass murder and rape in a Muslim country.

I think they find it comforting in some strange way. We should probably feel sympathy.

@FOJN

Any proof of this ‘information’? Or just more anti-Islam rhetoric?

As someone has already pointed out the majority of ISIS victims were Muslims. I'm not sure how my disgust for the actions of ISIS is anti-islam, unless of course you believe they represent Muslims world wide, I don't. Keeping sex slaves has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with being a rapist.

The rape of very young children (who did not survive the abuse) was reported in an interview but details of ISIS taking Yazidi women and girls (as young as 8) as sex slaves was detailed in an amnesty report (Escape from Hell) which acknowledged that there was stigma attached to being raped so gathering accurate information was challenging and the information they had obtained probably did not reflect the true scale of the Human Rights abuses.

And yet no link.

Oh so that’s ok then. Fuck knows what our armies have been getting up to in Afghanistan recently, for example.

Terrorism is not just people having bombs in rucksacks you know.

Yes, I'm sure they're rigging up some nail bombs as we speak to set off in Afghan primary schools.

[quote Torisbonson]@Iggly I am not feeling any rage, nor I am
deliberately misunderstanding what you wrote. Nice try though. Nobody said IsIs is first or last terrorist group, so why are you lecturing us on that? Discussion is about if Shamima Begum was actually that clueless when it was obvious to the whole world how barbaric their philosophy was. As you explained the reason why groups like Isis are formed, why did they need sex slaves? Are those women they tortured were responsible for western atrocities too?[/quote]
You’re going down a rabbit hole now. Misogyny runs across all cultures so I’m not surprised they have sex slaves. Armies have been known to act in despicable ways - rape has been used as a weapon of war time and time again.

I'm afraid people like Iggly can only cope with the idea of everything being very simple, the UK did bad things which led inevitably to mass murder and rape in a Muslim country.

I think they find it comforting in some strange way. We should probably feel sympathy

What’s your explanation then

And yet no link.

Feel free to google Amnesty International "Escape from Hell", I'm not your secretary.

Don’t tell me - it’ll be something like “the UK has only tried to do good, blah blah blah”

Hmmmm yeah makes you wonder.....

Why are you smirking, @MyPatronusIsACat? Do you really think this is what the parents of those 3 girls, and others, wanted for their daughters? They were all devastated. You really are callous. Those parents are not a disgrace, you are.

@FOJN

And yet no link.

Feel free to google Amnesty International "Escape from Hell", I'm not your secretary.

And still no link. So no proof. Just lies.

If she is ever allowed back it certainly shouldn't be before every single one of the genuine refugees are accommodated. There are so many people who are more deserving.

@Fraine are you seriously trying to suggest that the endless reports of ISIS atrocities are somehow fabricated?

In all this we seem to forget she was a 15 year old girl when she left. She hadn't reached 16 yet. I'm not overly familiar with her case, however I went to an islamic school in the Netherlands and can tell you a bit about what it was like being a young girl associated with islam at the time.

Many of my muslim friends with SE Asian and Arab backgrounds got messages from IS boys and men and it developed into relationships (or so they thought). Some were young and in love, desperate to leave the Netherlands or had been groomed enough to believe it would bring them closer to Allah. I'm grateful everyday that I wasn't targeted but I lost friends to IS.

They all deserve a trial and not left to rot in a refugee camp I'd rather they rot in prison.

amnesty international

Maybe Iggly could offer to swap places with her...

@ColorMagicBarbie

Maybe Iggly could offer to swap places with her...

What, because I am not a simpleton who just parrots the line “she bad, strip her passport away”?

Honestly, have a word with yourself.

I just find it sad that people aren’t trying to work out why this happened to stop it happening again.

Any one of our children (those of that have children), could be taken advantage of in many different ways. That includes being swept up by the likes of ISIS or groomed online.

Quite frankly, I find that a worry and would like to help stop it instead of just stripping away a citizenship every time it does happen. That’s foolish.

Old enough to know what she is doing. All this vulnerable l/exploited child bullshit? People condemn the James Bulger killers and they were actually little kids with horrible home lives (not defending them it’s just for comparison) this girl was almost an adult. No sympathy

we the 'general public' do not see even half of what she has done, said and is capable of. Grooming or not everyone comprehends how serious ISIS are and were and it is vastly different to the standard grooming in this country. We cannot verify or not who she is in contact with, what she knows or what she is now capable of. All of you defending her now will not be responding if something were to happen because of her return. You should be just as responsible for any events if she returns and held responsible for your words and actions.

@Iggly

amnesty international

Thanks Iggly, sickening read and absolutely beliebavle.

But there is no mention of raping of toddlers that @FOJN is trotting out.

@Iggly my "explanation" that is based on my admittedly very incomplete reading around Middle Eastern politics and recent history and the involvement of many countries and organisations, sometimes in good faith, sometimes very much not is that, like most issues, it's too complicated to reduce down into simple minded slogans about the West. But I'm guessing you are a Corbynite, and they are not known for being able to cope with any kind of vaguely complex ideas.