AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

[HurryUpAndWait23]

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

@houseonthehill

So much of the attitude towards her, both the hard-nosed and the gleeful, is so shot-through with racism and misogyny that it makes me nauseous. I can't see what the dreadful fear is of bringing her back and having her face a court.

All the LOLz. Do you actually seriously believe that?! Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more batshit!

@ColorMagicBarbie

Running away with a teacher isn't really the same as helping sew women into suicide bomb corsets so they can't escape if they have a change of heart! (which is something she apparently did).

Oh not this tired old shit again. She didn’t go on that flight dreaming of sawing bomb corsets, they were young stupid kids after an adventure.

@Iggly you sound like ISIS apologist. Some of the people who were killed by ISIS had nothing to do with British empire. And you need to educate yourself to the history of Islamic invasion of countries like Persia and India.
web.cocc.edu/cagatucci/classes/hum210/tml/IndiaTML/indiatml2.htm

How valid is it to justify barbaric actions of ISIS today in the name of retaliation against past wrongdoings? Some of the innocents killed by ISIS were there to help children.

[quote Theythinkitsalloveritisnow]@iggly
The reasons ISIS exists is much more complicated than the West bombing Muslim countries, although I would agree it has added to their support. Try reading about the history and politics of the Middle East, a whole lot of things have contributed to end up where we are today.

And of course ISIS isn't a problem for only Muslims to solve , I was merely pointing out the inconvenient fact in your "this is our fault" and it's all been the fault of the West is that the vast majority of their victims are their fellow Muslims. I suspect you don't actually care about that though as long as you can wallow in a bit of self satisfied guilt.[/quote]
Self satisfied guilt?

What on earth are you on about. Because I recognise that the actions of our country has consequences and we should face up to those? Something which we fail to do consistently? The treatment of Shamima is a prime example - stripping her British citizenship to make her another country’s problem when she was born here.

I think it's wrong to punish someone indefinitely for actions they took when they were 15. Whether they showed 'enough' remorse or not. If it was law that if you joined a terrorist cell you have to be punished for life then fair enough. But it isnt. There are very very few crimes for which you get a lifetime punishment. And fewer if you committed that crime when you were under 16. Plenty of people who have actually fought with ISIS have been let back into the country. I think claiming she is another country's problem is disgusting. Would we take home terrorists made stateless by other countries if they had a familial link to the UK but had never lived here? Of course we wouldn't.

[quote Torisbonson]@Iggly you sound like ISIS apologist. Some of the people who were killed by ISIS had nothing to do with British empire. And you need to educate yourself to the history of Islamic invasion of countries like Persia and India.
web.cocc.edu/cagatucci/classes/hum210/tml/IndiaTML/indiatml2.htm

How valid is it to justify barbaric actions of ISIS today in the name of retaliation against past wrongdoings? Some of the innocents killed by ISIS were there to help children.[/quote]
Sorry that you misunderstand what I’m saying, probably deliberately so.

I’m saying that what ISIS have done is not unique - let’s not paint them as an unusual case. They’re not the first and won’t be the last of its kind.

Our country stands with the likes of Saudi Arabia for example, which commits awful atrocities.

I think blind rage is not the answer. It may feel good temporarily but where does it take you?

#shamimaisinnocent
#bringbackourgirl

She said she understood why the Manchester bomber did what he did as retaliation. She's never shown what feels like genuine remorse. I don't feel sorry for her

Sorry @fraine are you actually suggesting the yazidis are lying about their treatment??

The reason I posted that link, so you can see it was not just British empire which colonised other countries. I am not even from UK but I feel some of you find it cool to talk about all the evil a British empire had did to the world while not acknowledging what other countries and group of people did to other nations even before British empire came into power.

And may I suggest you educate yourself about the atrocities of the British Empire. It’s easy to google.

My point is, ISIS are horrific. And so are others and so have been the British Army under the Empire. Plenty of horrible things have been done, and plenty continue to be done. So why are people making an example of Shamima but turning a blind eye to everything else that’s gone on?

@Redgeraniums

It’s a cheap party political trick to make the government look like their taking a hardline.

When all they’re doing is abdicating responsibility for a known terrorist and handing it over to Bangladesh! What the fuck has Bangladesh got to do with any of this, no one in Bangladesh radicalised her! It was done here in this country

You keep banging this drum, post after post. I'd much rather we shirk our responsibility to give her a trial than risk a load more teenage girls getting maimed/killed in the next bombing. Won't lose a minute's sleep over it tbh.

@Torisbonson

The reason I posted that link, so you can see it was not just British empire which colonised other countries. I am not even from UK but I feel some of you find it cool to talk about all the evil a British empire had did to the world while not acknowledging what other countries and group of people did to other nations even before British empire came into power.

As a British Cotizen, I’m concerned that people don’t understand the hand our country has played in why nations are in the absolute shit state that they are in today.

Telling me what I already know - that the British weren’t the only ones - what does that prove? “Oh it’s ok, it wasn’t just the British”

😂

@Northernshepherd

Sorry *@fraine* are you actually suggesting the yazidis are lying about their treatment??

Well could you post some accounts instead of expecting us to believe you third hand?

@Iggly

And may I suggest you educate yourself about the atrocities of the British Empire. It’s easy to google.

My point is, ISIS are horrific. And so are others and so have been the British Army under the Empire. Plenty of horrible things have been done, and plenty continue to be done. So why are people making an example of Shamima but turning a blind eye to everything else that’s gone on?

Well, the British aren't committing terror attacks on other countries in 2021.

I do wonder about her last baby. There didn’t seem to be any movement when she came out in hijab with it and with what looked like a few cloths bundled together.

She seemed dismissive of the deaths of her children. She is an evil women who has no excuse as to what she has done. Where were her parents in all of this? Shame on them and I hope she rots in Syria.

Never seen so much support for ISIS members on a post like this before....

Well, the British aren't committing terror attacks on other countries in 2021

Oh so that’s ok then. Fuck knows what our armies have been getting up to in Afghanistan recently, for example.

Terrorism is not just people having bombs in rucksacks you know.

@Franklin12

I do wonder about her last baby. There didn’t seem to be any movement when she came out in hijab with it and with what looked like a few cloths bundled together.

She seemed dismissive of the deaths of her children. She is an evil women who has no excuse as to what she has done. Where were her parents in all of this? Shame on them and I hope she rots in Syria.

This ^ in spades.

@Franklin12

I do wonder about her last baby. There didn’t seem to be any movement when she came out in hijab with it and with what looked like a few cloths bundled together.

She seemed dismissive of the deaths of her children. She is an evil women who has no excuse as to what she has done. Where were her parents in all of this? Shame on them and I hope she rots in Syria.

More likely she has PTSD.

Muslim parents are generally protective of their daughters. How on earth did this happen under their noses.

@Whammyyammy

Never seen so much support for ISIS members on a post like this before....

Scary isn't it?

@Whammyyammy

Never seen so much support for ISIS members on a post like this before....

That’s because there isn’t. Unfortunately thinly disguised racism and Islamophobia is common on MN.

@Franklin12

Muslim parents are generally protective of their daughters. How on earth did this happen under their noses.

Hmmmm yeah makes you wonder.....

Any proof of this ‘information’? Or just more anti-Islam rhetoric?

As someone has already pointed out the majority of ISIS victims were Muslims. I'm not sure how my disgust for the actions of ISIS is anti-islam, unless of course you believe they represent Muslims world wide, I don't. Keeping sex slaves has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with being a rapist.

The rape of very young children (who did not survive the abuse) was reported in an interview but details of ISIS taking Yazidi women and girls (as young as 8) as sex slaves was detailed in an amnesty report (Escape from Hell) which acknowledged that there was stigma attached to being raped so gathering accurate information was challenging and the information they had obtained probably did not reflect the true scale of the Human Rights abuses.