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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

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Iggly · 15/09/2021 22:10

Who has decided to call ISIS a death cult? A death cult underplays it and I think that’s dangerous tbh. Let’s fully understand what they’re about so they can be taken down.

Iggly · 15/09/2021 22:12

@FOJN

phishy

Information given by people who survived the atrocities. Feel free not to believe it. Interviews with yazidi women detailed some of the most horrific things I've ever heard about. There is also plenty of information about rape used in war. Seems lots of people on this thread are unaware of the true horrors which took place.

Sadly that is not unique to ISIS. Soldiers of all colours and creed have been the perpetrators of horrific crimes against citizens. Easy to paint ISIS as the bad guys in this regard but they’re not unique.
spudjulia · 15/09/2021 22:12

Most young people don't find terrorist organisations online and fly off in secret to join them and marry members.

That's true. But she's not the only British child to be radicalised. It's a growing problem. Schools and childcare settings have to run 'Prevent' programmes to try to identify and stop radicalisation of children by terrorist extremists. It's a big enough problem for all school to be required to do this.

MyPatronusIsACat · 15/09/2021 22:12

100% agree. Who the F does she think she is, with her demands, and her saying Boris Johnson doesn't have a clue what he is doing regarding terrorism, and she can 'advise and help him.' OMG! The absolute NERVE of the woman. Shock

IDGAF if she was a 15 y.o. 'child' when she joined ISIS, she has not been a child for 4-5 years now, and so she can sort her own shit out. This country owes her nothing. This act she is putting on with the convenient little westernised look, does nothing for me. She can stay where she is.

With her cocky, arrogant manner, she has put the final nail in her coffin IMO. No WAY should this woman be allowed over here. The sight of her face sets me teeth on edge. Urgh! Confused

Torisbonson · 15/09/2021 22:12

@IVFNewbie she is not victim. Victims are those whom ISIS killed. She went to Syria support the killings.

The Manchester bombers were also supposed to be reforming terrorists. But look what they did.
How can some of you be so sure that she is victim? Do you know her personally?
By your logic, nobody should be punished for their criminals acts as majority of them
are victims of their circumstances.

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 15/09/2021 22:12

@BaronessOfTheNorth

She was just a child when she took that flight. She wanted to help initially and then when she realised the reality of Raqqa there was no way out. Then she had children and everything was about protecting them (tragically, she couldn't and they died).

The UK have effectively trapped her in a camp as she has been made stateless, therefore can't leave.

I do really feel for her, I think it's horrendous. She was in a death cult and is being treated as though she was the founder when she was in fact a victim.

She wasn't a fucking victim she was an enthusiastic participant who has never shown remorse or accepted any kind of culpability for anything. My mind just boggles at all the posters on here saying how awful this is for her- serious question- do you give a shit about the victims of ISIS? Do you see as being as human as Begum? Why are you so happy to completely disregard the suffering she + her fellow psychopaths inflicted on the people who were unfortunate enough to live where they decided to build their caliphate?
Iggly · 15/09/2021 22:13

With her cocky, arrogant manner, she has put the final nail in her coffin IMO. No WAY should this woman be allowed over here. The sight of her face sets me teeth on edge. Urgh!

And what is it about her face then that puts you on edge.

Snoozer11 · 15/09/2021 22:13

@Ozanj She didn't join before the "media hype". When the three of them left, it made the news because they were joining the terrorist cell we all knew of.

If we didn't know about ISIS, why would it have made the national news? Teenagers often run away from home.

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 15/09/2021 22:15

@Iggly

I think people don’t understand the strength of feeling in some people within Muslim countries towards the west. I really don’t. And people would do well to understand that.

From the point of countries like Afghanistan (and African countries too), western countries came along and bombed the shit out of them. Or came along like cockroaches and completely decimated their resources for their own gain, killing many many innocent civilians along the way.

So yes, I can exactly see why an impressionable teenage would end up following ISIS.

People really have such a poor grasp is history and the impact of imperialism. It was one of the basic lessons in history that stuck with me - you only ever learn about the point of view of the person telling the story, unless you actively go out and find alternative sources.

Imagine, if you lived in a country and people from other counties came along and bombed your family for no discernible reason? Is it any wonder we have generations of angry terrorists? They then come along and kill our innocent citizens.

So, let’s not be stupid and pretend that our nation is innocent and ISIS was created in a vacuum.

I will say this, I fucking hate wars and I hate the history of the British Empire. What a nasty mess it has left behind.

And yet the majority of ISIS' victims are Muslims
Caliexpidocioussuper · 15/09/2021 22:17

She’s English born and bred. And therefore our problem. As a country we created her. We made her feel disenfranchised and that she didn’t belong here, in the country that she was born in. I’m a teacher and I see this so often. Children born here to parents that were born here and work hard here, that still don’t feel like they belong. It’s wrong, these children are vulnerable and easily groomed by adults.

Iggly · 15/09/2021 22:19

And yet the majority of ISIS' victims are Muslims

?

I’m talking about why ISIS exists and why impressionable teens will follow them. I had Muslim friends at university who got swept up in an anti - American feeling post 9/11 and it was very very unsettling and challenged me to think through why that might be.

ISIS is not a problem created solely by Islam for Islam to solve.

Fraine · 15/09/2021 22:20

@FOJN

phishy

Information given by people who survived the atrocities. Feel free not to believe it. Interviews with yazidi women detailed some of the most horrific things I've ever heard about. There is also plenty of information about rape used in war. Seems lots of people on this thread are unaware of the true horrors which took place.

Any proof of this ‘information’? Or just more anti-Islam rhetoric?
OhWhyNot · 15/09/2021 22:20

Whatever she does will be wrong

We know what she has done we know what she has lost we know she was a child when she left (and wasn’t stopped) the country

This is her home country this is where she should be the UK dealing with her

She can’t do right from wrong if she was crying she would be accused of putting on the tears. I would imagine the huge amount of loss she is had she feels numb

ScrambledSmegs · 15/09/2021 22:21

Agrée with Butchyrestingface. She's British, which makes her our problem. That's all there is to it.

MyPatronusIsACat · 15/09/2021 22:22

@Caliexpidocioussuper

She’s English born and bred. And therefore our problem.

Not any more.

MyPatronusIsACat · 15/09/2021 22:22

@ScrambledSmegs

Agrée with Butchyrestingface. She's British, which makes her our problem. That's all there is to it.
Not any more.
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MaidEdithofAragon · 15/09/2021 22:24

@caliexpidocioussuper, 100% agree with this.

She’s English born and bred. And therefore our problem. As a country we created her. We made her feel disenfranchised and that she didn’t belong here, in the country that she was born in. I’m a teacher and I see this so often. Children born here to parents that were born here and work hard here, that still don’t feel like they belong. It’s wrong, these children are vulnerable and easily groomed by adults.

Iggly · 15/09/2021 22:26

[quote MyPatronusIsACat]@Caliexpidocioussuper

She’s English born and bred. And therefore our problem.

Not any more.[/quote]
Because our government were too weak to actually deal with the shit it has a hand in creating.

Instead it threw it over the fence. Fucking cowards.

Whammyyammy · 15/09/2021 22:27

@ScrambledSmegs

Agrée with Butchyrestingface. She's British, which makes her our problem. That's all there is to it.
She's British? Err, no shes not anymore. She's not had British citizenship or British passport for 3 years, which has been backed by the supreme Court.

She's made herself bed, now she can lie/rot in it

RuggerHug · 15/09/2021 22:29

[quote MyPatronusIsACat]@Caliexpidocioussuper

She’s English born and bred. And therefore our problem.

Not any more.[/quote]
You're OK with any rights you have being taken away when you're inconvenient to your country of birth are you? And your children the same?

MyPatronusIsACat · 15/09/2021 22:29

@Whammyyammy EXACTLY! ^

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 15/09/2021 22:29

@iggly
The reasons ISIS exists is much more complicated than the West bombing Muslim countries, although I would agree it has added to their support. Try reading about the history and politics of the Middle East, a whole lot of things have contributed to end up where we are today.

And of course ISIS isn't a problem for only Muslims to solve Hmm , I was merely pointing out the inconvenient fact in your "this is our fault" and it's all been the fault of the West is that the vast majority of their victims are their fellow Muslims. I suspect you don't actually care about that though as long as you can wallow in a bit of self satisfied guilt.

ColorMagicBarbie · 15/09/2021 22:29

@vivainsomnia

The 15 year old who ran away with her teacher had so much press about being groomed, how she was innocent and couldn't possibly know that's all it was. She was deemed young, innocent and vulnerable despite coming from a good family, with no traumatic past, and being a clever girl.

Yet, Shamima with Avery different background is expected to have been mature enough to understand what she was getting into?

Of course the outcome was much worse in her case, but I fail to understand why she wasn't deemed anymore vulnerable and gullible than the other girl of the sane age.

Running away with a teacher isn't really the same as helping sew women into suicide bomb corsets so they can't escape if they have a change of heart! (which is something she apparently did).
MyPatronusIsACat · 15/09/2021 22:31

@Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

She wasn't a fucking victim - she was an enthusiastic participant who has never shown remorse or accepted any kind of culpability for anything. My mind just boggles at all the posters on here saying how awful this is for her.

Serious question- do you give a shit about the victims of ISIS? Do you see as being as human as Begum? Why are you so happy to completely disregard the suffering she + her fellow psychopaths inflicted on the people who were unfortunate enough to live where they decided to build their caliphate?

This. ^ I can't believe some of the posts on here. I don't believe ANY of the people supporting her on here, saw her latest effort to get into this country. She was obnoxious, and arrogant, and cocky, and does not give a fig about what she has done. ALL she wants is to get back into this country. She can bore off.

The poll result proves her 'supporters' are in a minority though. Thank fuck.

Begum will never be allowed back into this country.

She is no longer British, she waived that privilege a long time ago. She can stay where she is.