AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

I don’t believe a word she says and I don’t want her back in the uk.
However, that’s not the point. She’s our problem, not Syria’s problem.

Also those talking about jail. The court system expects “beyond all reasonable doubt”. That is not going to happen. So she’d likely be free.

How would she actually get back here though?

Not like she can just get herself to an airport and check in is it?

I'm also puzzled why some of the men who actively fought for ISIS haven't had this done to them

They have. Exact figures not released, but at least 150

It can only be done with those entitled to another nationality, so those who have none other have to be dealt with here. And we can't watch everyone on their release from prison.

And even if we could, we know it doesn't prevent attacks. The Streatham attacker was 10 days out of prison and under surveillance.

Radicalisation in prison in a problem, and putting already radicalised people in there doesn't help.

She was radicalised before she left, and then had several years more conditioning. She is the last person who should be used F2F in counter-radicalisation programmes. If she wants to advise, she can do that behind-the-scenes and from anywhere.

@2021namechanger

Also those talking about jail. The court system expects “beyond all reasonable doubt”. That is not going to happen. So she’d likely be free.

Joining ISIS is in itself a crime as it is a proscribed organisation, and the Terrorism Act has extra-territorial provision.

I think she has already publicly admitted guilt.

Britain can ask to take her. The Kurt's would be happy. Other countries have been doing that for theirs. There are clearly crimes she can be charged with in the UK. Not wanting to try her because there is no evidence for some claims isn't really how justice works. If Syria wants to try her for crimes in Syria, they can request her extradition after she has been tried in the UK. Or ask the Kurt's now.

(Kurds; autocorrect!)

[quote tillytoodles1]@Effzeh, she also has Indian nationality on her mother's side, but she won't go there,as she'll be executed. That's why she wants to come here.[/quote]
But why should she go there. She was born in the UK. Does that mean anyone who has a parent from a different country then automatically has dual nationality?

That can potentially cause a lot of issues for people like me, born here and parents from another country. Does that mean that l'm an immigrant?

@Hopeandglory you must be proud of your daughter, she’s an asset to you!

Your daughters efforts however don’t detract from the fact that race impacts the public sentiment on SB and British Muslims (who are often from a BAME) background are treated as ‘other’ and that does contribute to radicalism.

@houseonthehill

Britain can ask to take her. The Kurt's would be happy. Other countries have been doing that for theirs. There are clearly crimes she can be charged with in the UK. Not wanting to try her because there is no evidence for some claims isn't really how justice works. If Syria wants to try her for crimes in Syria, they can request her extradition after she has been tried in the UK. Or ask the Kurt's now.

There's no way she would be extradited from the UK back to Syria. If she returns to the UK, she will be tried for something like joining a terrorist group, go to prison for a couple of years and then probably given a new identity and spend the rest of her life being watched by security services. Tbh I don't really care if she spends the rest of her life in a camp in Syria. My sympathy is taken up by the victims of ISIS in Syria, who have seen their loved ones massacred and sold into sex slavery. Fuck her.

I'm happy for her to stay where she is until the end of her days to be perfectly honest. She knew what she was doing, most teenagers don't run off to become an ISIS bride. And if things had gone her way, she'd more than likely still be there. She has no apologies for what she's done, she just expects to come back. And as for saying, she can help us with our fight against terrorism, keeping people like her out is already helping.

I really want to say she should be allowed back and up until watching the interview with her today I did feel as though she was a victim (15 year olds aren't adults, their brains don't work as ours do) but after seeing the interview and her lack of remorse, her totally cold eyes, her whole demeanour I can't make up my mind. Is it because she has seen/been coerced into doing some inhumane things or because she really is without remorse??

SB at the age of 15 years old was well above the age of criminal responsibility in the UK, also in Iraq & Syria. She was not a child at that time.

So she can be tried by the law of the land.

As an alleged criminal she has shown no remorse, no pity, no regret.

Should she come back here to face trial, I assume that she will be charged & tried as a terrorist or with a substantial crime. She’ll either be banged up in the UK for a very long time which is expensive for the UK & also risks her being transformed in to a martyr figure - neither works option works well for me.

She could be tried & if found guilty, deported to Bangladesh as I believe that she had duel nationality. But my understanding is that the Bangladesh Govt do not want her.

Where can she go? Which country would have her?

She is not a child.
Spare your pity & compassion for her because she would show you none. By her beliefs & actions, she has shown that she is part of a murderous regime that would do you & your family absolute harm.

@meditrina hmm don’t reckon she’ll be quite so forthcoming under caution etc
“ “I am willing to go to court and face the people who made these claims and refute these claims because I know I did nothing in IS but be a mother and a wife,” she said.
“These claims are being made to make me look worse because the government do not have anything on me. There is no evidence because nothing ever happened,” she told ITV.

@LimitIsUp

I believe she was groomed

I don't know if she genuinely renounces ISIS and terrorism - but presumably her veracity could be tested by lie detector tests

If she passes those, she could potentially be an asset to counter terrorism?

He pleas she could help the government etc made me wary.

I can't even out her finger on why. It just made me think she's claims innocence and just to have been an isis bride yet also seems to think she knows enough to help the government tackle it.

Maybe she thinks she can help the government see how easy it is for isis brides to be recruited? But I certainly think she knows more about it than she's claiming.

She is not a British Citizen and will not be coming back to the UK.

She comes over as both sly and stupid.

Maybe she can find a useful role in Syria- if they want her.

She needs stay in that tent we're she belongs the tramp, wants to give our government advice HAHA on what how to be a terrorist an try get back in the country your banned from ? Playing the head to try get back in like we will find her useful
The supprimee courts agreed she isn't allowed back in the country for a reason

I don't want her back in the U.K. I wish the press didn't give her any time tbh. You can't have your cake and eat it.
I was off the rails nuts at 15 in trouble all the time.
But even I would never have taken part in what she has done and anyone with a moral compass that off is better off well away from society imo.

You don't just magically change into someone that supported murders etc just because you became an adult. Where is she to go if she's here? Prisons are full of Muslims preaching all sorts of things and a blind eye is turned, her community didn't exactly stop her from becoming what she became, she's most definitely not western enough imo to just gel into British society. better off leaving her there tbh.

I’m not going to comment on my view of the case itself but completely agree that the recent interview hasn’t done her any favours.

I am so shocked by the callous disregard being expressed by so many. She was 15… that is not an adult.

Not allowed to drive. Couldnt vote or drink. Not even of an age to legally consent to sex. Why do the British courts not allow a 15 year to do any of those? Because a 15 yr old is not deemed competent to fully understand those responsibilities and risks.

Teenagers do stupid things all the time. We often sympathise. Yet so many of you are happy to be judge and jury because she doesn’t look sufficiently remorseful or looks sly or fgs she’s dressed in faux Westernisation with the nails and pout. The cold condemnation expressed here beggars belief.

This young woman is no terrorist threat and should be allowed home to face the courts here.

No one is actively punishing her. There are other people in those camps. No posters are on sobbing for them?

But the political reality of this is that leaving here there is cheap and valid. It is a little morality tale about what happens to people that go off and join death cults with a stated aim of destroying the West. It’s really not a bad outcome for her or for the British Government. She is lucky to be alive, we are lucky to be shot of her.

@DrBlackbird

I am so shocked by the callous disregard being expressed by so many. She was 15… that is not an adult.

Not allowed to drive. Couldnt vote or drink. Not even of an age to legally consent to sex. Why do the British courts not allow a 15 year to do any of those? Because a 15 yr old is not deemed competent to fully understand those responsibilities and risks.

Teenagers do stupid things all the time. We often sympathise. Yet so many of you are happy to be judge and jury because she doesn’t look sufficiently remorseful or looks sly or fgs she’s dressed in faux Westernisation with the nails and pout. The cold condemnation expressed here beggars belief.

This young woman is no terrorist threat and should be allowed home to face the courts here.

Fair enough if she was groomed and had no idea but she was still clearly indoctrinated in her first televised interview as an adult

And she's not the first person to be groomed either. I think someone else said something about others in Syria not running off to join ISIS, despite being in worse circumstances than her living in the U.K. in safety.

The lack of remorse is really the nail in the coffin for most people more than anything and the conspicuous PR attempts which appear disingenuous.

If you want her back to face justice here, that's totally fine, but when people appear to be downplaying things using her age, sex and race as excuses, it doesn't help her case. Groomed or not, nobody should sympathise with her

How is she wearing western clothes while still in Syria? Isn’t that dangerous there??? She was a Syrian housewife for so long, so it’s not like she had some in her wardrobe!! how did she even get access to western clothes? She’s in a camp !!

In my opinion, she doesn’t like the facilities at the camp. If her husband was with her and the camp had 5 star facilities, I don’t think she’ll have any regrets.
She is begging to come home because UK prisons are perhaps nicer than the camp.

@DrBlackbird

I am so shocked by the callous disregard being expressed by so many. She was 15… that is not an adult.

Not allowed to drive. Couldnt vote or drink. Not even of an age to legally consent to sex. Why do the British courts not allow a 15 year to do any of those? Because a 15 yr old is not deemed competent to fully understand those responsibilities and risks.

Teenagers do stupid things all the time. We often sympathise. Yet so many of you are happy to be judge and jury because she doesn’t look sufficiently remorseful or looks sly or fgs she’s dressed in faux Westernisation with the nails and pout. The cold condemnation expressed here beggars belief.

This young woman is no terrorist threat and should be allowed home to face the courts here.

But she’s not 15 now. She actively participated in atrocities against Syrian people (heads in bins - don’t care).

Most serial killers had terrible childhoods. It explains but doesn’t excuse.