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AIBU to think Shamima is not coming across well?

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HurryUpAndWait23 · 15/09/2021 14:21

I do really feel for her, she was an exploited child and went through what appeared to be repeatedly brutal experiences.

But whenever she talks, the attitude and "the world owes me" way in which she speaks is not helping her cause at all.

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LoislovesStewie · 15/09/2021 18:16

@Pieceofpurplesky

She was groomed and radicalised. Happens far too often in this country (and around the world). She is a British citizen, therefore her crimes need to be tried in a British court of law.
Perhaps as the crimes took place in countries other than the UK, then she should be tried in those countries?
StoneofDestiny · 15/09/2021 18:17

Not even sure if she is an extremist claiming to have been radicalised. How do we know - and can all terrorists not claim to have been radicalised? Unlikely they were born terrorists!

StepAwayFromGoogling · 15/09/2021 18:18

@Proudboomer - how would you propose she leave ISIS and the Islamic State if she changed her mind and wanted to come home? Jump on a bus? I'm sure ISIS would have waved her off happily.

@Feelingoktoday - If a suspected terrorist came back to the UK they would be held until trial. Not allowed to skip off into the sunset to have babies.

Either way she's our terrorist, she's our problem. It's the height of arrogance and passing our responsibilities to expect Syria to deal with her.

StoneofDestiny · 15/09/2021 18:18

There are thousands in the camps in Syria - shall they all be dispersed to do more harm across the world?

minionsrule · 15/09/2021 18:20

ChiefAdjusterOfRubensShorts
Just wanna say I LOVE your user name 😍
The mere sight of those shorts being hoiked up sends me weak Grin
Sorry, as you all were

FOJN · 15/09/2021 18:24

It's the height of arrogance and passing our responsibilities to expect Syria to deal with her.

One could equally argue its the the height of arrogance to deny Syria the right to deal with her as they see fit.

Did you think the UK should repatriate and deal with Gary Glitter when he committed child sex offences abroad or did you think Vietnam were well within their rights to hold a trial and convict him on the basis of the evidence they had collected about crimes he had committed in their country.

VladmirsPoutine · 15/09/2021 18:26

Stripping her of her citizenship has far bigger ramifications than just the consequences she will face. Of course she should face justice but she's the UK's problem.

itsgettingwierd · 15/09/2021 18:26

@INeed2P

YABU.

She went to join ISIS at 16. She knew what she was doing - the claims that she thought it was just an Islamic organisation where she would be a wife and mum are absolute bull - everyone in the world knows what ISIS is and what it stands for.

Lots of people have troubled childhoods however they don't run off with friends to join a known terrorist organisation.

I think she comes across that way in interviews because she has absolutely no feelings that she has done anything wrong, l do not get any feeling of repentance (especially with her comments on the Manchester bombing) and she just thinks she deserves the chance to come to the UK.

I must admit it's was that bit that stood out.

What 15yo just ups and leaves to be an Isis bride. What child in education doesn't know about isis and it's cause.

And if she didn't know why up and leave alone to be a bride abroad?

I'm still undecided how I feel but I did think she's been primed to say a lot of what she's saying.

What I would like to know to make up my mind is what her life was like in the uk before she made this decision. But I appreciate we have no right to that personal information and for me that's what makes it hard to understand the full facts.

Ozanj · 15/09/2021 18:29

@Sylvvie

I don't believe for a second, with how much coverage there was of ISIS and what they were doing at the time, the huge numbers of people they were killing, and the acts of terrorism they were claiming, that she had "No idea it was a death cult". Unless she never watched the news or left the house

She is full of shit and she should not be allowed back here.

She joined before the media hype. It could be argued a lot of the media hype was because of her and foreign people like her who used social media to draw naive muslims in.
Ozanj · 15/09/2021 18:31

But she was still a child and had she killed people in the UK she would have been tried as a child and let off by now. Why is it so different because she did it abroad.

Fraine · 15/09/2021 18:31

[quote EverybodyIsInteresting]@Fraine

Link?

You could just try watching the interview.[/quote]
@EverybodyIsInteresting

Your post below makes no reference to the interview. Be clear!

Didn't she praise the efforts of the Manchester bombers? And was an adult at the time? Zero remorse, apart from wants to be back in the UK, living with a population she clearly hates.

Rosesareyellow · 15/09/2021 18:33

She’s not coming across well. She’s saying what she thinks people want to hear but I don’t think she has any real remorse - she feels sorry for her own situation, not for anything else.

Blossomtoes · 15/09/2021 18:33

@Ozanj

But she was still a child and had she killed people in the UK she would have been tried as a child and let off by now. Why is it so different because she did it abroad.
In the eyes of the law she wasn’t a child. She’d been over the age of criminal responsibility for five years by the time she went to Syria. Isis certainly didn’t think she was a child.
MilkywayMonarch22 · 15/09/2021 18:37

Children may well understand right from wrong at 15, but they can also be incredible vulnerable/stupid/naive!
Children also often have no forethought/foresight to the implications of their behaviour even at 15/16!

Not saying I think she hasn't done something awful, but she was a child who has suffered extreme abuse.

Stasiland · 15/09/2021 18:37

She was a UK citizen, born and bred here. She was groomed and presumably the authorities weren't aware of it through their own ineptitude, enabling her to swan off to the 'caliphate'. She's our responsibility like it or not. Why should the kurds have to accommodate and de-radicalise 100s of former isis brides and their kids ? She'll presumably get a fair trial if she's committed any atrocities. If she was white I wonder if there would be the same hatred of her.

secular39 · 15/09/2021 18:38

What is the woman's presenters name? Susan, she went a bit too hard. After Shamima said she had lost three children, Susan or whatever her name was, said "oh you know- you have to apologise- oh you know- what you said was good". The Manchester bomb was horrific but she wasn't the one who directly killed those people and planted the bomb.

She needs to come back to the UK and get trialed. She was young. The UK just want to make an example of her.

EmeraldShamrock · 15/09/2021 18:39

I thought she came across very well in the interview. She was 15 and radicalised by religion.
Ireland took our Shamima back she was a Irish soldier they swooped into the Syrian camp for her and her child.
What happened to the men that went? Did they arrive back to the UK without any issue?

StepAwayFromGoogling · 15/09/2021 18:42

@EmeraldShamrock

I thought she came across very well in the interview. She was 15 and radicalised by religion. Ireland took our Shamima back she was a Irish soldier they swooped into the Syrian camp for her and her child. What happened to the men that went? Did they arrive back to the UK without any issue?
Say what now?
KittenKong · 15/09/2021 18:43

It’s not a colour thing. I think people are genuinely baffled that a supposedly ‘good’ student could up sticks and run off to join isis, knowing what she did about them - they didn’t keep their atrocities secret and she will have seen the videos that they themselves posted of executions and the kiddie bombers blowing up cars of ‘enemies’ (that little London boy).

Yes there are some horribly evil people in this world. I don’t really think she really is ‘sorry’ for what isis has some. she has no love for the U.K. (but is keen to get out of the camp) and has lived among some of the most radicalised people on the planet.

And most do my family are from the ME and they don’t want her a thousand miles of them. There is no easy answer.

EverybodyIsInteresting · 15/09/2021 18:44

@Fraine

Ok, to be clear, the interview that this thread is about references the comments about the Manchester bombings. Had you watched the interview you would have received at least some of the answers your were seeking.

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 15/09/2021 18:44

@Pieceofpurplesky

She was groomed and radicalised. Happens far too often in this country (and around the world). She is a British citizen, therefore her crimes need to be tried in a British court of law.
But why? People don't normally get tried for crimes in their home country, they get tried in the country they committed the crimes in.
Tyrantosaurus · 15/09/2021 18:44

@EmeraldShamrock

I thought she came across very well in the interview. She was 15 and radicalised by religion. Ireland took our Shamima back she was a Irish soldier they swooped into the Syrian camp for her and her child. What happened to the men that went? Did they arrive back to the UK without any issue?

Men are also radicalised by religion. Who cares, she'd kill your whole family given half a chance.

EverybodyIsInteresting · 15/09/2021 18:45

@Fraine

I don't understand why you are commenting on a thread about an interview when you clearly haven't watched it

IllegibleSquiggles · 15/09/2021 18:45

@MrsTerryPratchett

Human rights are for everyone. And as a two time immigrant and dual national, it's enlightening how little some people feel our citizenships are worth. Mine are less than yours. I will always be half a citizen.
This. I think Ireland did the right thing in repatriating Lisa Smith (an Irish woman and former soldier who also joined ISIS) to face trial.
Blossomtoes · 15/09/2021 18:46

What happened to the men that went? Did they arrive back to the UK without any issue?

They’re still there in camps, I think.