To think faith schools should be forced to change their application process?

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Most people accept that you can't discriminate against someone for their religion. So why can faith schools do it when it comes to kids getting a place?

AIBU to think state-funded faith schools should be forced to remove religious criteria from applications?

I know state-funded faith schools get extra funding from religion and that supposedly justifies giving priority to kids with religious ties.

I just can't understand why it's illegal to mark someone down for a job application based on their religion, but it's okay to do it for a school application.

NiceGerbil

I am slowly trying to understand myself.

I have asked older people they say they can't remember, from what I can make out it was started with implementation in the early 1970s, they changes the old rite and Latin was replaced with English, the priest turned to the congregation and they left the alter at the back, communion in the hand was what we were taught and they brought in a wood alter as Luther wanted.

It was a mistake or a coincidence that society changed and a falling away happened at the same time, they achieved the opposite of what they planned.

You would have been taught in Junior school by nuns the way you were, now what nuns there are left wear standard clothing.

I didn't know about nuns and standard clothing. My guess (but may be wrong) is that differs around the world. Dunno.

Last time I saw a nun was when I was walking home from work and tripped and really hurt my knees- massive scrapes blood etc. Someone put a hand out to help me up and it was a nun in habit. Hauled me up I was surprised how strong she was! That was 2006 (remember as week before my wedding!).

She would have been from my old school I imagine- the convent has gone now I imagine most/all no longer with us.

So you can't spot a nun. Well I never.

Bizarrely I've been to CofE 'high church' services and there were looking bits in Latin, loads of regalia, formality. Swinging smoke things (sorry don't know name).

Asked a few people my mum said oh they're more Catholic than the Catholics!
If you felt that was a part of your worship then maybe that would be worth attending a service although obv many many differences so sorry if that suggestion is not one I should have made.

I have never been to an extraordinary mass, apparently I am too late, the Pope has cancelled it.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-francis-renews-curbs-latin-mass-rebuff-conservatives-2021-07-16/

So I probably never attended the type of mass my grandparents did, my parents can not remember if I was baptized in English or Latin.

In the end the change around missions and adapting to local cultures etc was very successful though wasn't it.

Are there any RC branches (probably wouldn't be allowed to call themselves RC) that kept the original ways?

In the end I'm by nature I think just not spiritual as it were.
My view on the RC church is one thing. I have loads of RC friends and was raised that way. I don't see differences in belief between individuals in terms of which religion should be a barrier. I mean in terms of different views on the actions/ line of the organisation. If very different views on key matters then you're unlikely to be friends in the first place.

I suppose in the end I think people understand/ are more comfortable with things that are different to them more if they have had exposure to them.

DD school has a wide variety of different faiths and the friendship groups mix all around. And so it becomes people, individuals rather than the unknown.

Just my view.

Against that's 2 schools! I don't understand what your observation adds to the conversation?

That faith schools don't out nice kids

Couldn't agree more OP. I'm an atheist but brought up Catholic. Went to Catholic schools. Live in a northern city that is VERY heavily dominated by faith schools- there are very few non-denominational state schools here both at primary and senior level.

I have three children and their "choice" of senior school will basically come down to whichever of the crappiest local schools is undersubscribed when they go. It blows my mind how my children will be bottom of any admission criteria within the city simply because I'm letting them get to an age where they either choose their faith or none rather than indoctrinate them into one or pretend to have a faith simply to be further up the admissions criteria.

How it's legal to discriminate against those who have no faith is crazy- that said I think having religious schools of any kind shouldn't be allowed. Religion should be taught from a more objective stance or as part of phase/ history/ politics/ law when relevant rather than to validate one particular doctrine. Further knowledge of a child's religion should come from family/ their place of worship...

Your point is that based on two schools near you, you believe that children who go to faith schools are not nice kids?

Sorry I can't work the last bit out cos of typo.

I went to an RC primary and a school which didn't have any religion or prayers or Christian ethos (like many even though daily worship is the law).

I swear like a trooper.

What is the reason for by bad language in terms of religion in my education?

Do Catholic schools still refuse to teach about same sex relationships and contraception in sex ed or has that changed?

Are there any RC branches (probably wouldn't be allowed to call themselves RC) that kept the original ways?.

Yes, they are annoyed because that's where all the young people go with big families and smart dress, it's growing apparently where as the 1960/70s version is dying mostly attendance is old people. I have seem people attend the English mass in their PJs and jeans.

Though when I heard that Jacob Rhys Mogg was that type of Catholic it put me off.

Ok they tend to be vile nasty kids who the world owes them something.

And yeah your language in public reflects on you.

I would be guessing they didn't when my friends were at secondary they also only got rhythm method as contraception and a v strong anti abortion message.

I would imagine it hasn't changed but I imagine depends massively on the school? And maybe the make up of children in terms of background.

And as I said before religious schools need. To be abolished no place in modern society

@SunIsBehindGreySky

Are there any RC branches (probably wouldn't be allowed to call themselves RC) that kept the original ways?.

Yes, they are annoyed because that's where all the young people go with big families and smart dress, it's growing apparently where as the 1960/70s version is dying mostly attendance is old people. I have seem people attend the English mass in their PJs and jeans.

Though when I heard that Jacob Rhys Mogg was that type of Catholic it put me off.

Jrm is definitely old school. 100% against abortion for ANY reason. Pretty sure contraception as there were news stories when found out to be involved in a company that makes contraception amongst other things).

The fact he proudly says he's never changed a nappy. Even though has many children (although one would be bad enough) tells you everything you need to know. I mean probably nannies do it but it's the being proud of it. Nasty piece of work. Oh and the any circs at all is also awful as with no caveats it would include saving mother life at any stage of pregnancy.

Will abolishing all faith schools stop this widespread issue of horrible nasty sweary children?!

Is that a balanced view given your view is based on one school?

There's something very disturbing to me about parents forcing religion onto their children.

What do you mean "forcing" @Maryjane3227? Do you consider parents who give vegetables with every meal "forcing"? What about those who make their children do sport or music practice? Is that "forcing"?

Maybe if you moved to an area where the language of children at the faith school was not generally English. It would help?

Because you won't know whether they're swearing or not

If you don't like jrm style RC then high CofE might be worth attending a service.

It really depends on which parts of RC belief are important to you. Transubstantiation being a big one.

That's why I am pro choice, I value the life and health of women so would rather they access safe intervention I also respect their right to not share the same beliefs as everyone else. I think abortion is a disposable thing, I have kept my opinion to myself when friends told me they had abortions, eventually it did put me off them though, if they would so that to their own child they are capable of doing terrible things to others, so I watched and their behavior over time revealed them to be so selfish for us to carry on.

I doubt I would get along with JRM either.

No OP , it's about choice .. if you want the end of Church schools .. what about private schools and grammar schools ..

Trying to remember. I went to an RC primary as did most of my friends

RC educated family here. For me also single sex. I will always be immensely grateful to that school. Nuns were no-nonsense and had their heads screwed on. I never saw teachers being lazy like someone mentioned upthread. Most of my classmates went to university and there were very few who were from 'privileged' backgrounds.

(Any) religion is also very helpful when the going gets tough in life and I wish every child/person could have this to resort to. It's very upsetting when people want it to be abolished in the name of 'tolerance' and 'civilisation'

High CofE might be a fit.

The stances on these massive topics that are so contraversial in RC then won't come up iyswim. You are free to have whatever beliefs you have on those topics yourself. With no religious controversy etc bringing questions from others or trying to start 'debates'.

@mustlovegin

Trying to remember. I went to an RC primary as did most of my friends

RC educated family here. For me also single sex. I will always be immensely grateful to that school. Nuns were no-nonsense and had their heads screwed on. I never saw teachers being lazy like someone mentioned upthread. Most of my classmates went to university and there were very few who were from 'privileged' backgrounds.

(Any) religion is also very helpful when the going gets tough in life and I wish every child/person could have this to resort to. It's very upsetting when people want it to be abolished in the name of 'tolerance' and 'civilisation'

I don't remember anyone saying religion should be abolished! That's your take on the thread?

I'm pleased that you had a good school experience and your faith has assisted you when things were difficult.

That is again just your experience though. Not a general truth for all children.