To think faith schools should be forced to change their application process?

[storminborehamwood]

Most people accept that you can't discriminate against someone for their religion. So why can faith schools do it when it comes to kids getting a place?

AIBU to think state-funded faith schools should be forced to remove religious criteria from applications?

I know state-funded faith schools get extra funding from religion and that supposedly justifies giving priority to kids with religious ties.

I just can't understand why it's illegal to mark someone down for a job application based on their religion, but it's okay to do it for a school application.

@mustlovegin

Secular means independent of religion

You need to think of the word 'religion' in wider terms. Politics, gender issues, climate change, veganism and a host of other topics are being treated as 'religions' nowadays and people are being indoctrinated, yes

Absolutely excellent post. I think there are far more concerning things being forced on our kids through schools (and society at large).

I would much rather my child was reading the Bible and be able to understand the symbolic, universal and perineal messages contained therein at some point in their life than be force fed some of the shit that comes from certain pressure groups and forced to worship at the feet of the God of woke and political correctness

...than be force fed some of the shit that comes from certain pressure groups and forced to worship at the feet of the God of woke and political correctness

Apparently there is no worshipping of animals, the earth, a political movement, human diety etc, demanding they are loved, you lie for them and to them, they control your language and thus thoughts, you can't choose how to spend your time and money you must do tasks they demand for their ideology, you can't even eat standard food without being considered evil and needing life on earth made in to hell for not following their ideology, you must tell them how brave they are and so forth, nope it is not happening it's in our imagination and we must not believe what we and others did for thousands of years, we must change our ideology to suit them, we are outdated bigots apparently and they are "kind" lovely people.

This thread comes up every autumn - year 6 parent finds nearby comp with good results but unfortunately Catholic/Jewish/c of e etc and cannot fulfill entry requirements. Quite a few of those who fake faith then start complaining about the prayers, the food, the early Friday finishes, the modest uniform policy

Yes

Okay then Alex Jones

You may think that what SunIsBehind is saying is OTT, but actually, when you see everything written together and realise that it is indeed happening it is rather alarming.

Shouts really loud , channelling Alex

Here is the propoghanda and another way they do the indoctrination.

mustlovegin

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4347467-Dont-like-being-preached-at-in-TV-shows?msgid=110776909

I remember Kellie-Jay doing a video on this, she said she talks and people who don't want to listen 🙉 watch her mouth move, hear sounds and carry on. I don't think I am the best communicator, sometimes on some issues people don't want to understand it's a two way street. I remember people getting nasty and laughing at people who saw a pandemic coming and people who believed it would be over in "three weeks"!

Next it will "be kind" you are a tax burdon and young people can't afford houses, you will be better off going now for yourself and everyone else.

BTW, is propagandha just a misspelling or propaganda, or is it some kind of Alex Jones term I'm not familiar with.

@storminborehamwood I haven't read the full thread, but I have contributed to many similar threads in the past. The short answer is yanbu.

There are people campaigning to change faith school admissions - see the Fair admissions Campaign here: fairadmissions.org.uk/.

Unlike some other groups, they don't campaign to abolish faith schools, but only to make it illegal for them to use faith-based admissions criteria.

You make as little sense on that thread as you do on this one

She is hinting at the issues rather than being explicit. Try and pay attention and it's very clear.

I had not seen everything written together like this, and it's quite shocking actually

I don't disagree with faith schools (DS went to an RC primary). I do see the issue for families who are not religious but either want to get their kids into local food schools and can't, or are frustrated that there are fewer non religious schools to send their DC to.

I don't understand however while faith schools are such an issue for MN when selection by wealth - either by paying for private education or buying an expensive house in a very tiny catchment is seen as more acceptable? Faith schools are much more accessible than either of those.

And the one DS went to was much more racially diverse and had more SEN than local non faith schools.

The churches own the building and land his primary is on and therefore buying them off the church is going to be a problem. MN posters often ignore the fact that faith schools existed well before secular schools as they were charities to educate the poor who couldn't afford to pay to educate their children.

Objectors to faith schools also ignore the fact that faith schools are often good because of the faith aspect. DSs school was incredibly strict - lots of throes rules that MN bitch about - but it's one of the reason s it was so good. Take away the faith side and it's not going to be the same.

Unlike some other groups, they don't campaign to abolish faith schools, but only to make it illegal for them to use faith-based admissions criteria

On what basis? More encroaching then? Going by a lot of these threads on MN (not seen so much of this IRL), many who are non-religious but get admitted tend to be intolerant, mock religion and treat it as a nuisance. It will never work out.

Religious groups can 'campaign' too, you know?

@SunIsBehindGreySky

Your posts certainly show you may think you are a cut above others, and if you don't understand then it's everyone else's fault entirely, not your fault in any way, insult and put others down tactics.

Cutabove

Wait, so do I not understand because I'm arrogant, or because I don't want to?

And jts a bit rich for you to accuse others of being insulting.

@mustlovegin

You make as little sense on that thread as you do on this one

She is hinting at the issues rather than being explicit. Try and pay attention and it's very clear.

I had not seen everything written together like this, and it's quite shocking actually

I am paying attention, it's clear as mud. And irrelevant to the thread.

@Deletesystem33
You seem to think things like veganism and "climate change" count as religion and that people worship some random headteacher in the same way people worship a god. You're just making it up as you go along.

You're the one making things up. I never said anything about veganism or climate change or headteachers, lol.

I never heard of transhumanism until someone linked to shouty Alex, he mentioned it during a rant about someone called Yaniv wanting their Johnson touched to wax their balls in Canada, other than that I have not watched him.

The Economist journalist Helen Joyce has a book discussing one of the individuals in IT pushing it all, fascinating stuff.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9988677/Amazon-brings-palm-swiping-technology-concert-venue.html

@AnneElliott

I don't disagree with faith schools (DS went to an RC primary). I do see the issue for families who are not religious but either want to get their kids into local food schools and can't, or are frustrated that there are fewer non religious schools to send their DC to.

I don't understand however while faith schools are such an issue for MN when selection by wealth - either by paying for private education or buying an expensive house in a very tiny catchment is seen as more acceptable? Faith schools are much more accessible than either of those.

And the one DS went to was much more racially diverse and had more SEN than local non faith schools.

The churches own the building and land his primary is on and therefore buying them off the church is going to be a problem. MN posters often ignore the fact that faith schools existed well before secular schools as they were charities to educate the poor who couldn't afford to pay to educate their children.

Objectors to faith schools also ignore the fact that faith schools are often good because of the faith aspect. DSs school was incredibly strict - lots of throes rules that MN bitch about - but it's one of the reason s it was so good. Take away the faith side and it's not going to be the same.

Well said and this is the tradition of the UK

Objectors to faith schools also ignore the fact that faith schools are often good because of the faith aspect. DSs school was incredibly strict - lots of throes rules that MN bitch about - but it's one of the reason s it was so good. Take away the faith side and it's not going to be the same.

I am not politically right wing, I do like to listen to people and what the American republicans complaints are - that the Democrats have started to move to the Republican states because they don't actually like living with the reality of their ideology in action, they then try to change the republican states as if somehow things will be better this time, they seem to have zero respect for the fact that Republicans don't want them bringing a failed ideology (in their opinion and I can't blame them saying this as the democrats don't want to live in their Utopia themselves) and ruining the states Republicans are content with.

storminborehamwood I haven't read the full thread, but I have contributed to many similar threads in the past. The short answer is yanbu.

There are people campaigning to change faith school admissions - see the Fair admissions Campaign here: fairadmissions.org.uk/.

Unlike some other groups, they don't campaign to abolish faith schools, but only to make it illegal for them to use faith-based admissions criteria.

What??? The whole point of a faith school is to help indoctrinate into the faith. How on earth can you ever have faith schools with non faith based admissions criteria - what on earth would be the point