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Not to allow ex to take dc on this holiday?

487 replies

MrsBede · 10/09/2021 23:20

They are 12 &14 and in the 7 years since we split he has never taken them on holiday alone, though they've been twice in the UK when his dm organised it. Now he's inherited a substantial sum and messaged me tonight asking if he could take them away in October half-term. I asked which dates (they have 2 weeks off) and he said all of it as he wants to go abroad.

Ds1 was sitting next to me at the time and immediately said no as he really doesn't want to miss any school if he had to isolate on return. I messaged back to that effect but I'm livid he would take them for the full two weeks. I have never taken them so that he hasn't had them at all in any one holiday and I think it's unacceptable. He has them one night a week and eow, but often cancels if he has a gig. Term time is full on and we need the holiday time to reconnect (I'm a teacher). Just why should he think he should have the full holiday?

The other thing that really annoys me is he goes to Italy to visit friends every autumn and many a time when they were younger this has put me in the shit with child care as he does it at short notice. He obviously just wants to take them there and it's two weeks as that's how long he wants to go for, It's not a touristy place, there's not a lot there and they don't know his friends. I just think it's an utterly selfish idea and he's not replied to my text, which has put me on edge and I know ds is also worried about having said no. Ds2 doesn't see why they couldn't go. AIBU to think he's a selfish prick?

OP posts:
MaryMcCarthy · 13/09/2021 16:43

I'd just like to add that some of my best childhood memories were on holidays with my dad. He'd separated from my mum and we didn't see him that much, but those holidays last long in the memory. Don't let your own bitterness interfere with your children's relationship with their dad. It's not something to be taken for granted.

ScribblingPixie · 13/09/2021 21:04

After all these extra details I'm wondering WTF you saw in him in the first place, OP?

hippychick10 · 13/09/2021 22:43

I'd be over the moon that he can now afford to take the children on a fabulous holiday...and I'd enjoy the two weeks to myself! I'd plan girly trips out and cosy nights in without having to worry about my children!

Enjoy the peace! After all you get to see your kids everyday....he doesn't

hippychick10 · 13/09/2021 22:48

@MrsBede

you said that a kid had no valid passport....hence the abroad question

Yes, no valid one, in that he has an old one that I'm not renewing until travel abroad looks like a risk-free option.

Why can't you renew it? I think you're being very mean and childish
hippychick10 · 13/09/2021 22:50

@LalalalalalaLand123

You sound worse and worse with each response, OP. I feel really sorry for your children that you are letting your own bitterness poison their relationship with their dad. I understand that he is not father of the year - but this trip has the potential to help their relationship and you just want to precent it, with frankly pathetic excuses.
This!

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

FrownedUpon · 13/09/2021 23:05

You have a really aggressive manner. Are you really a teacher?

I feel sorry for your DC. They’re undoubtedly getting damaged by all the drama & negative emotions.

Razorsharp · 14/09/2021 03:05

So if he'd got this inheritance and not offered them a holiday, you'd be happy?

Also, stop allowing your child to read texts before you. If he's sitting that close reading your messages, you need to teach him about privacy.

KaycePollard · 14/09/2021 09:55

So if he'd got this inheritance and not offered them a holiday, you'd be happy?

There are some very aggressive attacks on @MrsBede here.

I would e unimpressed with a father who has shirked his responsibility (time & money) to his DC over the last 6 years, but then decides to take them on a holiday when he comes into some money.

Why isn't he talking to the OP about putting money aside for his children's university costs? Or paying her back the 4 years he paid NOTHING for his own children?

Why are people getting at @Mrsbede not her DCs' useless father?

CassandraTrotter · 14/09/2021 17:57

@KaycePollard

So if he'd got this inheritance and not offered them a holiday, you'd be happy?

There are some very aggressive attacks on @MrsBede here.

I would e unimpressed with a father who has shirked his responsibility (time & money) to his DC over the last 6 years, but then decides to take them on a holiday when he comes into some money.

Why isn't he talking to the OP about putting money aside for his children's university costs? Or paying her back the 4 years he paid NOTHING for his own children?

Why are people getting at @Mrsbede not her DCs' useless father?

I actually think the thread is full of liars. No way would any self-respecting woman think it was great that an unreliable, selfish father who avoided child maintenance and paid little towards feeding his children alive, was amazing for taking them on holiday with an inheritance. It is still selfish, as he is going on the holiday. If he said, ‘hey bede i realised ive been shit, here is the money i didnt bother paying for three years, maybe take the children on holiday.’ Id think, about time, but a nice gesture eventually.
Mymapuddlington · 14/09/2021 18:03

Ultimately it’s down to the kids since they’re old enough. They don’t want to go so end of story.
I do think though that you come across as very angry and bitter and your kids will know you don’t want them to go so are they trying to please you?
The child maintenance is for clothes etc and it seems really nasty to in essence say he can’t take the kids abroad because you’re jealous that he has the money to.
It’s really difficult but the kids have to come first regardless of your feelings towards their dad.

KaycePollard · 14/09/2021 18:13

If he has the money to take his DC abroad why isn’t his priority to save for his Dc to attend university. Or buy them some decent clothes for when they’re with him.

I don’t think @MrsBede sounds particularly bitter. Just fed up and annoyed and with very good reason.

VirtuallyAll · 14/09/2021 18:16

None of this "he gets them one week, me the other so I can reconnect with them", "why should he get them the whole holiday" etc etc business should matter.

The only thing that matters imo is whether the children want to go. If they don't (which you say your son doesn't) then there is your answer. If they do, then it isn't about you and you should let them.

The first posts come across as a can't win situation almost. Like you're angry he's never taken them on holiday but then when he wants to that's not good enough either because it's "no effort from him".

Blossomtoes · 14/09/2021 18:17

@KaycePollard

If he has the money to take his DC abroad why isn’t his priority to save for his Dc to attend university. Or buy them some decent clothes for when they’re with him.

I don’t think @MrsBede sounds particularly bitter. Just fed up and annoyed and with very good reason.

Maybe because we all have different priorities? How do we know he hasn’t stashed some cash away for uni or bought clothes or anything else you want to dream up?
VirtuallyAll · 14/09/2021 18:19

And no I don't think he's a "selfish prick" just for literally asking if he can take his kids on holiday Confused

KaycePollard · 14/09/2021 18:43

He buys them nothing and has sent them home in filthy/outgrown/season inappropriate clothing as he won't buy any.

From one of OP’s posts. Not”dreamt up”.

Honestly, the excuses some posters are making for this lazy selfish man are almost beyond belief.

Blossomtoes · 14/09/2021 18:47

@KaycePollard

He buys them nothing and has sent them home in filthy/outgrown/season inappropriate clothing as he won't buy any.

From one of OP’s posts. Not”dreamt up”.

Honestly, the excuses some posters are making for this lazy selfish man are almost beyond belief.

But that was before he inherited the money. 🤷‍♀️ I’m not gullible enough to swallow whole what OP says about the guy - she obviously loathes him. Makes you wonder why she married and had two kids with him.
Mymapuddlington · 14/09/2021 18:49

@KaycePollard
Firstly that’s what child maintenance is for.
Secondly, we only know one side. Maybe he didn’t pay maintenance because op owed him thousands from the house? We don’t know the full situation. Thirdly, ok he’s not perfect but regardless he still has parental rights and wanting to take his kids on holiday now he can afford it isn’t a horrible thing to do.

CiaoForNiao · 14/09/2021 19:01

[quote Mymapuddlington]@KaycePollard
Firstly that’s what child maintenance is for.
Secondly, we only know one side. Maybe he didn’t pay maintenance because op owed him thousands from the house? We don’t know the full situation. Thirdly, ok he’s not perfect but regardless he still has parental rights and wanting to take his kids on holiday now he can afford it isn’t a horrible thing to do.[/quote]
The child maintenance he didn't pay for 6 years? The child maintenance that is reduced for every overnight he has precisely because he's meant to provide for them at his house?
No wonder so many men think they shouldn't have to pay when women happily make excuse after excuse for them.

Thatsjustwhatithink · 14/09/2021 19:03

@MrsBede

I'm a child of divorced parents and I thank my lucky stars my parents didn't pull this crap. As many posters have said all your posts are infused with bitterness and hatred for your ex. Which, truthfully, now means nothing. It's over. Where he lives, what work he does, how much money he has. Nothing to do with you. You are not together. The only thing that matters is how you bring up your children. You can do that by oozing bitterness or let them build a healthy relationship with their dad. You role model the behaviour you want them to learn.

My mum did not like my dad. I obviously got that. But she never ever stopped him from seeing us or tried to ruin anything he tried to plan. She did the bulk of the parenting, she paid for most things. My gran did so much childminding because my mum worked multiple jobs. I know all this. But I still love my dad. They parented differently. That's fine. It was good balance, I'm more rounded because of it. If your ex wants to take the kids on holiday, stop being so controlling and let them.

Your kids have obviously picked up on your fragility and bitterness about your ex, and like all kids who have parents who go through difficult divorces they're doing the dance: what should I tell mum about dad? Is she angry? Is she upset? I'll leave that bit out. I'll just agree. What's the easiest answer to this question? If their dad has super obvious emotions about you, they'll do the same. It's not fun. It's stressful. It's because adults are acting like children forcing children to try and diffuse situations like adults.

Pack your bitterness away or deal with it. But it's clearly seeping into your decision making. He's their dad. Your hatred for him won't change that. But it will change their relationship with you.

Mymapuddlington · 14/09/2021 19:04

@CiaoForNiao
Not making excuses, just saying we don’t know the full story and op came across very aggressive and clearly against him.
I only have my own experience of child maintenance to go on which was contacting child maintenance service. Maybe op didn’t for a reason?
At the end of the day a dad with pr can take the kids on holiday regardless of what the mum thinks of him

flippertyop · 14/09/2021 20:08

@KaycePollard do you feel the same way about stay at home mums?

MrsBede · 14/09/2021 20:11

Thank you KaycePollard Flowers.

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MrsBede · 14/09/2021 20:17

[quote flippertyop]@KaycePollard do you feel the same way about stay at home mums?[/quote]
Gosh, why do people keep talking as if he's the typical sahm? He's not. I mean, did you read the thread/my posts, or perhaps like Mymapuddlington and Blossomtoes you have decided that I'm making it up/exaggerating just for the hell of it. It couldn't be the case that I loathe him (not even sure I do tbh) because he has behaved as I have described rather than I loathe him for no reason so have made stuff up to feed my evil fantasy of him being shit when really he's great!

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MrsBede · 14/09/2021 20:36

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@MrsBede

I'm a child of divorced parents and I thank my lucky stars my parents didn't pull this crap. As many posters have said all your posts are infused with bitterness and hatred for your ex. Which, truthfully, now means nothing. It's over. Where he lives, what work he does, how much money he has. Nothing to do with you. You are not together. The only thing that matters is how you bring up your children. You can do that by oozing bitterness or let them build a healthy relationship with their dad. You role model the behaviour you want them to learn.

My mum did not like my dad. I obviously got that. But she never ever stopped him from seeing us or tried to ruin anything he tried to plan. She did the bulk of the parenting, she paid for most things. My gran did so much childminding because my mum worked multiple jobs. I know all this. But I still love my dad. They parented differently. That's fine. It was good balance, I'm more rounded because of it. If your ex wants to take the kids on holiday, stop being so controlling and let them.

Your kids have obviously picked up on your fragility and bitterness about your ex, and like all kids who have parents who go through difficult divorces they're doing the dance: what should I tell mum about dad? Is she angry? Is she upset? I'll leave that bit out. I'll just agree. What's the easiest answer to this question? If their dad has super obvious emotions about you, they'll do the same. It's not fun. It's stressful. It's because adults are acting like children forcing children to try and diffuse situations like adults.

Pack your bitterness away or deal with it. But it's clearly seeping into your decision making. He's their dad. Your hatred for him won't change that. But it will change their relationship with you.[/quote]
I am sorry for your experiences and I am mindful of the impact our divorce has had on the dc, of course. However, all the people assuming I am just like their bitter mothers are a bit tiresome. Is it not the tinniest bit possible that how I am on here is not how I am in real life? Yes, I would be naïve to think they've never picked up on anything but I'm confident that I have done all I can to support the relationship and make it as easy for them as I can.

And he doesn't parent differently from me. He doesn't parent. He has then stay over but nothing happens or get done. Great example is ds1 wanting to talk though his cricket game with me when he struggled this year. I said I was sure his dad would be of more help and he said he'd rather discuss it with me as dad never really discusses anything. But I suppose I made that up or ds only said it because he picked up that I hate his dad. Or something.

As for blaming me for having kids with him in the first place..you can't beat women attacking other women can you?

Anyway, the situation is resolved. They have discussed it with him and agreed to go away at Easter. I'm fine with that (as I said a couple of pages ago) so no one needs to accuse me of stopping them going. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen mind - it will depend how much money he has left by then. He messaged ds2 yesterday to say he (ex) is going to Italy for the entirety of half-term. So he won't see them at all then and he didn''t ask me if that was okay - just told ds2 it was happening for him to tell me. Bearing in mind he's also missed one of his weekends this month due to a gig. But no, he's a great guy who can't wait to treat them to a holiday and is only doing this because I owe him thousands from the house or something. I don't btw.

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sowhatsnext · 14/09/2021 20:36

He might be your ex but he’s their Dad, as long as no massive back story as much right as you to take them away surely?
I get the 2 week but, maybe push back on that but really think YABU to be so wound up