Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

I know it's cheeky but should I just go for it?

295 replies

10stepsback · 10/09/2021 12:32

I've found myself in a really crappy situation but I'll try to make it short and sweet. I, along with my daughter have been in our current rental for the last 8 years. I started dating my partner nearly 4 years ago and he lives just up the road from me, mortgage free. We both have children from previous relationships, my daughter who is 18 and off to uni this week and his daughter who is 15, still in school. His wife passed away 6 years ago. His daughter has struggled, but we became incredibly close quite quickly. She is also close to my daughter and they see each other as sisters. I have never tried to replace her mum and I made it clear from the beginning that I would not get involved in their arguments or try to discipline her. Ex really struggles to set boundaries and she speaks to him like rubbish most of the time. She has a lot of anger issues I feel and they argue a lot which can make the atmosphere sometimes unbearable.
He has tried to arrange counselling multiple times but she isn't interested.

Recently my landlord made me aware that he was thinking of selling up in the next few months. For a while I have wondered where our relationship was heading so we both decided to have a talk about the next steps, with the most obvious one being to move in together, especially since I'm paying nearly £600 a month in rental fees even though I spend most of my time at his house. He agreed that he wanted me to move in and live with them. We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it. She's had a rough start to life and we agreed that we wouldn't do it if she wasn't happy with the idea. Initially she was over the moon and said she couldn't wait for me to move in, that she couldn't wait to have another girl around the house to do girly things, have pamper and movie nights etc. She is also extremely unhappy with her weight (as am I) and we both said that we would exercise together and make healthy meals. It was going to be our little activity that didn't involve her dad. Just us girls. At no point did she us tell or make us feel that she wasn't comfortable or happy with the idea, until this week, a week before I am due to move out of my current place.

It has come to light that she now doesn't want me to move in and is really unhappy with the idea. She told her dad on Wednesday night that if I come she will move in with her auntie. This isn't the impression she gave us when we spoke to her a month ago. The last few weeks she has been excited and has even helped me move boxes in. He hasn't said anything or tried to explain to her that it is too late for her to change her mind. I suspect that she has realised at the last minute that this is all real and actually going to happen and it’s scared her. Perhaps it was foolish of us to believe that she was happy with the idea but we had talked about it in depth several times before making the decision and then over these last few weeks she seemed so excited for me to come. Even though we agreed that we wouldn’t do it if she was unhappy, it is a slightly different situation now as I’m suppose to be moving out next Friday.

Initially my landlord said he would give me 6 months to find somewhere else before putting the house up for sale, however I gave him notice straight away (after having agreed with partner to move in with them) so he put it on the market immediately. Estate agent believes it will sell quickly as there has already been quite a few viewings. Luckily landlord has said I can stay for another month, and then we will take it week by week until the house sells or if I find somewhere else. I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal. Rentals don’t come up that often in this area and if they do, they are normally priced at around £700+pcm which I can’t afford. I work full time but can only stretch to around £600 which I was currently pay. I also have a dog that we’ve had since he was a puppy and I’m not prepared to give him up. My daughter absolutely adores him and would be so heartbroken. I was lucky that my landlord didn’t mind pets but not many others feel the same way as it is advertised on their websites.
Partner has offered to take the dog if needs be (so he’ll have my dog, but not me. Lovely) but hopefully it won’t come to that. I do have friends and family that could take him if I can’t find a rental that accepts pets. Buying a property is not possible unfortunately.

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me. My daughter is off to Uni tomorrow so I’m trying my best to hold it all together so she can enjoy her last couple of days at home before leaving. I don’t want her to see me upset but she is equally hurt by what they’ve done. We’ve sold a lot of our furniture and packed our lives up ready to move next week. It is such a shit show and I will never rely on a man ever again after this. I have seen a couple of rentals within the area, which have been on Rightmove for a while now. They are out my price range by around a £100 a month. Would I be unreasonable to phone the estate agent up and explain my situation and see if the landlord will consider reducing the rent? If the property has been sitting there empty for months and they are desperate for the income, do you think they might consider it? I feel cheeky for even asking but if you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose! What do I have to lose at this point, right?

If you’ve managed to read the whole post, thank you. Please be nice, I'm feeling pretty fragile and stressed at the moment.

OP posts:
Opalfeet · 10/09/2021 19:17

Sorry if it's been said already, but are you sure it's his daughter that changed her mind?

Bluetrews25 · 10/09/2021 19:20

Wishing you and your DD all the best 10steps
Things will work out, they always do. Flowers

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 10/09/2021 19:22

Why are people telling the op to just move in?

She can't. It's their home, she can't just rock up and move her stuff in. She she wants to end the relationship now anyway.

WimpoleHat · 10/09/2021 19:23

I also agree that any parent should put their child before anyone else, but its poor that he would put you and your dd (she'll still need a home outside of uni) on the street at the whim of a 15 yo. He has treated you as disposable.

Agreed. Absolutely he should consider his DD, but what he did was awful. As others have said, she probably lacks the maturity to understand what it means for all the associated relationships (you and her dad, you and her, her and your DD) and that could cause tremendous upset too in the long run; effectively she’s losing another set of “relatives”.

QueenBee52 · 10/09/2021 19:24

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult

Why are people telling the op to just move in?

She can't. It's their home, she can't just rock up and move her stuff in. She she wants to end the relationship now anyway.

so typical mumsnet 🤣😂

ohdelay · 10/09/2021 19:28

Sorry OP, a man moving in with a female single parent under these circumstances would be called a cocklodger and the woman would be told to prioritise their child and keep the households separate.
I think the daughter is only unreasonable for not speaking up sooner and reducing your time to find somewhere else, but she should definitely get to veto her father's girlfriend moving in to their family home.

Henryhoover12 · 10/09/2021 19:33

I see it a lot on MN when people let their children boss them around and make decisions for the family and I never understand why people let that happen?? I understand asking for their opinion but going along with whatever the kid wants when they probably don’t even know what they want for dinner is bonkers.

Have you even had a conversation with the dad, he’s probably clueless that your thinking of ending the relationship over this. i think it’s not fair on anyone (not even the teen involved who probably had a bad day at school and was being dramatic) unless there’s a final discussion which might make a different outcome.

Also those saying to steal his money, two wrongs don’t make a right.

cuparfull · 10/09/2021 19:37

Just a thought ( haven't yet read all the details) but given any property takes 3-6 months to complete, why not speak to the landlord and see in you can stay in the interim.... Given you've been a good tenant they may well agree providing you allow access for viewings. We did this.

You could also offer to show any prospective buyers around the property to help the landlord out.

The property may possibly be sold as a BTL, you never know, which means possibly you could stay on with a new landlord.
Good luck OP Flowers

winterchills · 10/09/2021 19:46

That's really sad and I'm not surprised your hurt. It sounds like she will probably change her mind again but the damage is already done!
Really hope you find somewhere suitable x

EspressoDoubleShot · 10/09/2021 19:48

You weren’t let down by 15yo you were let down by a adult man,your expartner
I hope you get a resolution to a really difficult situation

peachesarenom · 10/09/2021 19:51

It sounds like you've got a good history of being a stress free tenant. Definitely phone and ask and tell them about your good relationship with current landlord. I think lots of landlords will go for stress free over £100 per month tbh

toocold54 · 10/09/2021 20:02

Why are people telling the op to just move in?

She can't. It's their home, she can't just rock up and move her stuff in. She she wants to end the relationship now anyway.

I don’t think she should just push her way through the front door but I’d definitely be explaining that now she is homeless so she will need to move in until she finds a new place. She said she stays over all of the time anyway so it won’t affect the daughter much if OP stays there until she finds somewhere new.

Autumngoldleaf · 10/09/2021 20:17

So many apologies and compromise could have been reached even if it meant op moving into the home whilst looking for something.
. She's made an agreement with him and started balls rolling and now that rug has been pulled form under her.
He's totally dumped her.

SunnyMustard · 10/09/2021 20:27

Seems you are both avoiding talking about things on a deeper level and dealing with the imminent practicalities. Is it possible that he assumes a lot of things without verbalising them? Does he expect the rental to be short term until his daughter changes her mind? Wish you all the best in finding a flat and recovering from this disappointment. You have invested a lot of time into this relationship.

IReallyLikeCrows · 10/09/2021 20:27

Re losing a parent being different when you're a child to when you're an adult. It is but it's no less painful when you're an adult, you just have better coping skills. My DF died when I was 10 and it was bloody awful. I was seen as a bit of a brat although really I was just in pain and I missed my daddy. That said, I didn't make my DM's life a misery and demand that everything went my way. If I had I'd have learned very quickly that that's not how life works. If you walk on eggshells for too long you can ruin a child. You give them love, support, the knowledge that you are always there for them and you do all you can, given that you're in pain too, to help them get through it. (I didn't really have that but that's a whole other story.

My DM died when I was 34 and it broke me in a different way. I was doing a PhD, a year and a half in and just dropped it because I couldn't see the point in anything and because I was an adult I was expected to cope even though at times I didn't feel that I was coping very well at all.

I can't say that one was worse than the other, they were both awful in different ways but in many ways losing my mum was harder. Maybe because I was no officially an orphan, I don't know, but it was hard.

In case anyone says losing a dad is different to losing a mum, I was a total and utter dady's girl and he meant the world to me.

2bazookas · 10/09/2021 20:29

it's too late to say you and DP have way too much power to a child who is not old enough to order an alcoholic drink, have a tattoo or piercing or even go on a school trip without her DF's say so.

   Did you not notice the timeline?  The two adults decide it suits them for OP and her daughter to move in.   Dad should have gently  sounded that out with his   15 yr old  daughter on his own, given her time to think it over. Then convey D's view to OP in private, not in front of D. 

Instead, the 2 adults sit her down. announce their plans and invite the child to give an instant answer.. She's had no notice of this huge change and OP is right there offering girly treats and sweeteners . What huge pressure to say "yes". How incredibly hard to resist and refuse two adults demanding her answer. She was railroaded.

    That happened only one month ago and in just a few weeks  in  the cool light of day the kid   gradually screws up the nerve to tell dad "actually no.  Now I've thought about it,   no."

       IF she had been approached gently and  in private, REALLY given a choice,  she may very well have dared   say no right at the start.
tsmainsqueeze · 10/09/2021 20:43

I am sorry you have received some negative responses , i think your post is really clear and you sound kind and understanding ,i think its possibly going to be their loss that you won't be moving in and that they will regret it in the future.
The daughter does sound like hard work to me even though of course understandably she is grieving .
But i think he is the bigger problem , to just behave as if you becoming homeless isnt that much of a problem ?
He sounds a bit weak , i think you have seen his true colours , perhaps better now than further down the line when you are more invested in your home and relationships.
I think its totally unfair to call you needy , your post sounds like, on paper everyone was going to gain from the new set up .
I know his child comes 1st but where will he draw the line ,you could always be an after thought even years later.
Yes go for it , ask the agents you have nothing to lose .

Stovetopespresso · 10/09/2021 20:50

@EspressoDoubleShot

You weren’t let down by 15yo you were let down by a adult man,your expartner I hope you get a resolution to a really difficult situation
yup this I'm afraid! gutting to read this Flowers good luck op we'll done for staying so level headed during such a difficult time. why does shit happen to nice people?
Cheesecake53 · 10/09/2021 21:14

@IReallyLikeCrows Flowers Flowers Flowers

TractorAndHeadphones · 10/09/2021 21:22

@2bazookas

it's too late to say you and DP have way too much power to a child who is not old enough to order an alcoholic drink, have a tattoo or piercing or even go on a school trip without her DF's say so.
   Did you not notice the timeline?  The two adults decide it suits them for OP and her daughter to move in.   Dad should have gently  sounded that out with his   15 yr old  daughter on his own, given her time to think it over. Then convey D's view to OP in private, not in front of D. 

Instead, the 2 adults sit her down. announce their plans and invite the child to give an instant answer.. She's had no notice of this huge change and OP is right there offering girly treats and sweeteners . What huge pressure to say "yes". How incredibly hard to resist and refuse two adults demanding her answer. She was railroaded.

    That happened only one month ago and in just a few weeks  in  the cool light of day the kid   gradually screws up the nerve to tell dad "actually no.  Now I've thought about it,   no."

       IF she had been approached gently and  in private, REALLY given a choice,  she may very well have dared   say no right at the start.</div></div>

Why on Earth would she ‘excitedly move boxes’ in? If she agreed under duress she’s have been cool. How would you know that the adult together conversation was the ONLY one that happened and her father had never spoken to her in private?
Even for a teenager I don’t buy this story.
It’s him that doesn’t want OP to move in using his daughter as a convenient excuse!
Now what will they do about getting the boxes out of there I wonder..

Feelingoktoday · 10/09/2021 21:22

OP the reason I think you should have got a joint neutral family home is that it’s fairer to all including your D. Your D was expecting to come home from uni and live at your boyfriends house? It would never have felt like home for her. However if you all had chosen a neutral house then it would also be your Ds home.

Also I bet your partner still has his wife’s clothes and belongings around. It is also his Ds family home with her mum. They are still grieving. I just think it is awkward for you to move in. If you had rented a new joint house it would have been a new start for everyone. His daughter and your partner would have had a chance to clear out her mums things.

It would have been a new start for all of you. It would also have been safer for you and hour D.

Babyroobs · 10/09/2021 21:25

I cannot believe your ex dp can let his dd manipulate things like this without a thought for his happiness or yours. I appreciate she has had a difficult time but he cannot let her rule the roost like this. Anyway op it sounds like you've made a good decision in getting rid of him.

EspressoDoubleShot · 10/09/2021 21:28

No. You really cannot put this on a 15yo. Adult man who can’t clearly communicate or negotiate difficult conversations can’t be blaming a teenager

toocold54 · 10/09/2021 21:28

The two adults decide it suits them for OP and her daughter to move in. Dad should have gently sounded that out with his 15 yr old daughter on his own, given her time to think it over. Then convey D's view to OP in private, not in front of D.

Instead, the 2 adults sit her down. announce their plans and invite the child to give an instant answer.. She's had no notice of this huge change and OP is right there offering girly treats and sweeteners . What huge pressure to say "yes". How incredibly hard to resist and refuse two adults demanding her answer. She was railroaded.

I completely agree.

The same happened when I was younger the pair of them both approached me asking if it was ok if he moved in and said that we’d be able to get a dog if I said yes. I didn’t want to say no in front of him and I was so excited about getting a dog as I’d wanted one for years so I just said yes. I’d have definitely preferred if my mum asked me on my own as I definitely would have said no but I think he would have moved in regardless.

A conversation without OP was definitely a better option as the DD may have gone along with it for a couple of weeks as she didn’t want to hurt her dads & OPs feelings.

I don’t think this has to be the end of the relationship if the bf is willing to let OP stay for a few weeks. It may also give DD the chance to see what it would be like living with someone else without the pressure of it being permanent.

QueenBee52 · 10/09/2021 21:32

I don’t think she should just push her way through the front door but I’d definitely be explaining that now she is homeless so she will need to move in until she finds a new place. She said she stays over all of the time anyway so it won’t affect the daughter much if OP stays there until she finds somewhere new.

This is not a remote possibility... in part due to OP deciding the relationship is over and its a very bizarre suggestion .. to someone who has been well and truly shafted by this guy ... why d'you think he's offering to pay her Deposit... on another place.. She isn't welcome at his..

Swipe left for the next trending thread