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I know it's cheeky but should I just go for it?

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10stepsback · 10/09/2021 12:32

I've found myself in a really crappy situation but I'll try to make it short and sweet. I, along with my daughter have been in our current rental for the last 8 years. I started dating my partner nearly 4 years ago and he lives just up the road from me, mortgage free. We both have children from previous relationships, my daughter who is 18 and off to uni this week and his daughter who is 15, still in school. His wife passed away 6 years ago. His daughter has struggled, but we became incredibly close quite quickly. She is also close to my daughter and they see each other as sisters. I have never tried to replace her mum and I made it clear from the beginning that I would not get involved in their arguments or try to discipline her. Ex really struggles to set boundaries and she speaks to him like rubbish most of the time. She has a lot of anger issues I feel and they argue a lot which can make the atmosphere sometimes unbearable.
He has tried to arrange counselling multiple times but she isn't interested.

Recently my landlord made me aware that he was thinking of selling up in the next few months. For a while I have wondered where our relationship was heading so we both decided to have a talk about the next steps, with the most obvious one being to move in together, especially since I'm paying nearly £600 a month in rental fees even though I spend most of my time at his house. He agreed that he wanted me to move in and live with them. We sat his daughter down to have a chat and to make sure she was okay with it. She's had a rough start to life and we agreed that we wouldn't do it if she wasn't happy with the idea. Initially she was over the moon and said she couldn't wait for me to move in, that she couldn't wait to have another girl around the house to do girly things, have pamper and movie nights etc. She is also extremely unhappy with her weight (as am I) and we both said that we would exercise together and make healthy meals. It was going to be our little activity that didn't involve her dad. Just us girls. At no point did she us tell or make us feel that she wasn't comfortable or happy with the idea, until this week, a week before I am due to move out of my current place.

It has come to light that she now doesn't want me to move in and is really unhappy with the idea. She told her dad on Wednesday night that if I come she will move in with her auntie. This isn't the impression she gave us when we spoke to her a month ago. The last few weeks she has been excited and has even helped me move boxes in. He hasn't said anything or tried to explain to her that it is too late for her to change her mind. I suspect that she has realised at the last minute that this is all real and actually going to happen and it’s scared her. Perhaps it was foolish of us to believe that she was happy with the idea but we had talked about it in depth several times before making the decision and then over these last few weeks she seemed so excited for me to come. Even though we agreed that we wouldn’t do it if she was unhappy, it is a slightly different situation now as I’m suppose to be moving out next Friday.

Initially my landlord said he would give me 6 months to find somewhere else before putting the house up for sale, however I gave him notice straight away (after having agreed with partner to move in with them) so he put it on the market immediately. Estate agent believes it will sell quickly as there has already been quite a few viewings. Luckily landlord has said I can stay for another month, and then we will take it week by week until the house sells or if I find somewhere else. I haven’t spoken to my partner since yesterday morning after he decided to send me links to a property in the next town (a 1 bed flat above a youth hostel). This was the first I’d heard from after he told me that his daughter didn’t want me to move in. He has kindly told me he will loan me the money for a deposit on another rental if needs be. No apology or any concerns for my well-being, he’s just carried on as normal. Rentals don’t come up that often in this area and if they do, they are normally priced at around £700+pcm which I can’t afford. I work full time but can only stretch to around £600 which I was currently pay. I also have a dog that we’ve had since he was a puppy and I’m not prepared to give him up. My daughter absolutely adores him and would be so heartbroken. I was lucky that my landlord didn’t mind pets but not many others feel the same way as it is advertised on their websites.
Partner has offered to take the dog if needs be (so he’ll have my dog, but not me. Lovely) but hopefully it won’t come to that. I do have friends and family that could take him if I can’t find a rental that accepts pets. Buying a property is not possible unfortunately.

Our relationship is over, although I’m not sure he is aware of that and thinks we will be carrying on as normal. I am absolutely heartbroken as I still love him but I just feel so hurt and I still can’t believe he could do this to me. My daughter is off to Uni tomorrow so I’m trying my best to hold it all together so she can enjoy her last couple of days at home before leaving. I don’t want her to see me upset but she is equally hurt by what they’ve done. We’ve sold a lot of our furniture and packed our lives up ready to move next week. It is such a shit show and I will never rely on a man ever again after this. I have seen a couple of rentals within the area, which have been on Rightmove for a while now. They are out my price range by around a £100 a month. Would I be unreasonable to phone the estate agent up and explain my situation and see if the landlord will consider reducing the rent? If the property has been sitting there empty for months and they are desperate for the income, do you think they might consider it? I feel cheeky for even asking but if you don’t ask you don’t get I suppose! What do I have to lose at this point, right?

If you’ve managed to read the whole post, thank you. Please be nice, I'm feeling pretty fragile and stressed at the moment.

OP posts:
Phobiaphobic · 10/09/2021 17:54

Either he loves you and he's let his daughter ruin he loves you, or he never loved you at all. Either way, he's a fool. I'm so sorry, OP. It must hurt like hell.

Mangozesty · 10/09/2021 17:58

I don't have any advice I'm afraid but I really feel for you and your dog. I really hope you get sorted OP.

Feelingoktoday · 10/09/2021 18:00

“Also the mother passed away six years ago, the DD isn’t newly grieving she won’t be emotionally damaged by OP leaving.”

The daughter was 9 when her mother died!! You don’t just stop grieving.

You also cannot compare losing a parent as a child to losing a parent as an adult ( and I lost my mum at the age of 24 but I would never try to compare myself with a 9 year old). A 9 year old is a baby.

You should never have agreed to move into their house. Just because you have finished parenting he hasn’t. You should have rented a joint new property. To be honest I would still try this with him if you think he is worth it.

Phobiaphobic · 10/09/2021 18:00

@FrankButchersDickieBow

The daughter lost her mum at a young age. You cannot underestimate the impact and affect this had on her.

You asked her permission if you could move in and now it's a reality, she's changed her mind.

Shame on people calling her a diva and a princess etc.

Having a tragedy or trauma in your life absolutely does not allow you to go around causing mayhem in other people's.
blueskytoday06 · 10/09/2021 18:04

But she's still a child and hasn't yet developed that level of maturity.

As PP have said this is on him and not her.

Winter2020 · 10/09/2021 18:06

I don't know if you plan to take the money and then dump your partner ...and not pay it back ...as you are being advised on here OP.

If you do that then I suspect he and his family will think he had a lucky escape.

If he lends you the money you should pay it back at the agreed rate. If he gives it to you due to messing you around then that's different of course.

(ducks and runs for cover)

billy1966 · 10/09/2021 18:06

I'm with @QueenBee52, take the money and move on.

So sorry, so upsetting.Flowers

tempchecked · 10/09/2021 18:06

Sorry to hear about the situation you are in OP, but you strike me as being quite resilient and I wish you well.

You are quite right to move on and say nothing. Not much to be gained by adding to your misery.

One thing I might explore is to try and find out if the new owner of the property is a BTL purchaser, well s/he could have a ready made tenant with excellent references if so. It might be worth asking your landlord if he knows when the time comes.

Just a thought. All the best.

frazzledasarock · 10/09/2021 18:08

@Feelingoktoday my cousins lost their mum at very young ages non of them were given carte blanche to ruin people’s lives because they’d lost their mum.

They’ve all grown up to be decent well balanced people.

I disagree, you cannot walk on eggshells and allow a teen to run roughshod over people’s lives because they’ve experienced a tragedy.

Grief does become less raw over time.

10stepsback · 10/09/2021 18:08

@Feelingoktoday I've not tried to compare myself to a 9 year old losing her mum. I was responding to a comment that was made and I wanted to explain that, yes, I do understand what it feels like to lose a parent. I think she is a very brave for what she's had to go through, at such a young age too. I'm not a cold hearted monster.

I really don't understand what you mean? You don't think I should have moved in with them but think we should have rented somewhere else together? Not only would I be moving in but we'd be taking her away from her family home too. Would that not be worse? I'm not trying to argue with you btw, just trying to understand your thought process.

OP posts:
honeygriff · 10/09/2021 18:09

He's being really daft! His DD is 15 and will be living her own life more & more. I can't say DSS was happy when we moved in but as my DP said he had to have a life of his own. I think you should phone agents, good luck OP.

pollypocketlover · 10/09/2021 18:10

@Winter2020

I don't know if you plan to take the money and then dump your partner ...and not pay it back ...as you are being advised on here OP.

If you do that then I suspect he and his family will think he had a lucky escape.

If he lends you the money you should pay it back at the agreed rate. If he gives it to you due to messing you around then that's different of course.

(ducks and runs for cover)

Does it matter what he and his family think anymore though?

I'd hope they'd all be more concerned that he had been willing to make his partner homeless!

NewlyGranny · 10/09/2021 18:11

What a sad mess, OP, I'm so sorry you're going through this! I suppose it's too late to say you and DP have way too much power to a child who is not old enough to order an alcoholic drink, have a tattoo or piercing or even go on a school trip without her DF's say so. She's just as likely to change her mind next week! It will be too late.

It's a lesson to us not to put children in charge of adult decisions. She will miss you terribly and no doubt in future she will give her DF a hard time for being daft enough to let her be in full control of two adult lives.

Perhaps he got cold feet himself or perhaps he fondly imagines you only need a cramped hovel because you will spend most of your time with him, as before. From what you say, that ship has sailed. You will never feel the same about a man who let you go without even a struggle.

Better to know now than later! Give yourself a whole new start in a nice place and make sure there's room for your DD to stay. They have loads of vacations at uni and she will be at home almost as much as she's away.

I hope you'll find a place you live and never regret the death of those cancelled plans.

NewlyGranny · 10/09/2021 18:13

Oh, tempchecked has a really good idea!

Hugoslavia · 10/09/2021 18:15

I don't see why your relationship has to be over! He has to put his daughter first, especially after all that she's been through. And, if you're e close to his daughter as you say that you are, then surely she deserves some stability too. She's had a wobble. It's unfortunate that your partner hasn't handled it better. Personally I think that he should have at least let you stay on a trial basis to help reassure his daughter and help you out. I don't think that you can compare it as being treated worse than your dog as having a dog move in with him and his daughter is obviously less daunting for her than having another human move in. In another three years she will be 18 and things may well be different. I think that you're probably and very understandably upset by your daughter going off to uni and the uncertainty of finding a new place, living alone and offering her a base for when she returns. Could you consider renting with a friend/another adult in the meanwhile? I definitely would put in a cheeky offer on a flat though. If you are a long term good renter, you will save them money in the long run. I hope that you find somewhere nice and make your own little home. Could you bring in a little extra income doing something like babysitting one evening a week to make up the short fall otherwise?

sadie9 · 10/09/2021 18:16

Could it be that your partner is the one who avoided the truth and just wanted to please everyone? The only reason you two decided to move in together was because your landlord was selling the house.
The same reasons for not moving in together exist still as existed then.
You say the atmosphere was 'unbearable' sometimes with the daughter. So maybe a lucky escape.
I think your partner is to blame. However his crime is not not loving you, his crime is be a jellyfish who didn't want to say No to you and didn't want to say No to his daughter.

The train started rolling down the tracks and he went along with it.
He could be a very nice guy and a good partner, but until the daughter is old enough (and emotionally mature enough) you may not be able to become one household.

Just saying the relationship may well be worth saving.

Sounds like your partner is just burying his head in the sand then he's minimising the impact of the fallout on you.
You have a lot on your plate currently, hopefully your daughter will get off safely to Uni and then you'll find a nice place to live. Best of luck with it.

frazzledasarock · 10/09/2021 18:20

Why can’t the OP be sad at her DD leaving for uni and flying the nest and also hurt by her P seeing her homeless with a shrug and a link to rightmove?

I’d certainly lose respect and love for my partner if he helped me pack up my home and then with a week to go said oopsy my fifteen year old has changed her mind, but here’s a link to a shit bed sit in a shit area. That’ll do you.

I’d never want to have sex with him again.

Feelingoktoday · 10/09/2021 18:26

Sorry OP I wasn’t referring to you. I do t think you have done anything wrong regarding the daughter. You sound like you have provided company and support over the last 4 years.

2bazookas · 10/09/2021 18:39

I don't understand why you are so angry with your partner and blaming him for your financial situation.

He has a troubled daughter , they lost a wife mother, and she still has several more years of being at home dependent on him. So OF COURSE when push comes to shove, he puts her wishes first. It's too bad, but not very surprising, that she changed her mind and got cold feet about you moving in.

But essentially, your situation is what it was always going to be when your LL wanted the house back; you need to rent somewhere else. . DP didn't make this situation. He tried to help you out IF his DD agreed to let you move in ; but when reality sunk in she changed her mind. That's not his fault. He's STILL trying to help you out (offering a rent deposit.)

Frankly it's just as well you're not moving in with him and his daughter because it would have been a disaster; she is a needy adolescent and you seem to be an equally needy adult woman without her excuses. You were never going to accept playing second fiddle to her dad's affections in their home.

MerryMarigold · 10/09/2021 18:47

Even if it sells, it will take time to complete. It may also sell to another investor who would love a reliable tenant. I wouldn't be so pessimistic - there is hope on that front.

The situation with your Partner is really awful and heartbreaking. I am sorry.

honeygriff · 10/09/2021 18:53

Basically he's pulled the rug out from under OP. Frankly the blame here lies with one person only and that's him. I think the lack of care shown to OP is just awful. I'm sorry for the sadness and loss that he & his DD have been through. That doesn't mean you get to treat others badly. OP could have had 6 months to search for another property and is now in a difficult place as the rental market is tough right now. I'm sending you a virtual hug OP. Really hope tomorrow goes well for you & your DD Daffodil

QueenBee52 · 10/09/2021 18:56

@honeygriff

Basically he's pulled the rug out from under OP. Frankly the blame here lies with one person only and that's him. I think the lack of care shown to OP is just awful. I'm sorry for the sadness and loss that he & his DD have been through. That doesn't mean you get to treat others badly. OP could have had 6 months to search for another property and is now in a difficult place as the rental market is tough right now. I'm sending you a virtual hug OP. Really hope tomorrow goes well for you & your DD Daffodil

yip 🌸

toocold54 · 10/09/2021 19:03

Was the initial conversation just between her and her dad?
I can see why she might feel pressured into agreeing if you were part of the conversations and she didn’t want to hurt your feelings. Or more likely is that she genuinely wanted you to live there and now she is just having a panic, maybe she thinks it’s replacing her mum or her dad will be busy or you’ll turn into an evil stepmom. I would have thought these feelings would have eventually passed.

I am someone who thinks the child’s needs should come first in any situation but she did agree to you living there and so I would be telling your bf that you are going to live there until you find somewhere else.

TheyreTheSamePicture · 10/09/2021 19:03

Frankly it's just as well you're not moving in with him and his daughter because it would have been a disaster; she is a needy adolescent and you seem to be an equally needy adult woman without her excuses. You were never going to accept playing second fiddle to her dad's affections in their home.

There is literally nowhere in any of OP’s posts where she’s come off as needy. She’s taken control and is dealing with the situation Confused

CassandraTrotter · 10/09/2021 19:08

Frankly it's just as well you're not moving in with him and his daughter because it would have been a disaster; she is a needy adolescent and you seem to be an equally needy adult woman without her excuses. You were never going to accept playing second fiddle to her dad's affections in their home.

Are you actually on the correct thread? Because if you are, your comprehension skills are worryingly poor.