If you start work at 9 am, is it OK to walk through the door at 9 am ?

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Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

This thread makes me feel lucky never to have worked anywhere that was that bothered about this point. I now work from home but I lived and worked in London corporates for 12 years and was often expected to work very late, answer calls/emails on the weekends. Anyone bothered about me rolling in at 9.05-10.00am or whatever would have been an unpopular manager indeed!

With my job I start at 8:15 but have to get in at least 7:45/7:50 to be able to set up everything. The surgery door opens at 8:30 but no way would I be able to do what I need to do by 8:30 if I got in at 8:15. Flushing the chair through takes 4 minutes alone. Not to add getting the patient notes, setting up computers, dental surgery and de con room and then on top doing daily de con checks and compressor checks. The company are definitely CF and should pay from way before 8:15. If I don't get in earlier we'd just run behind all day. No thanks!

@GreenTortoise

With my job I start at 8:15 but have to get in at least 7:45/7:50 to be able to set up everything. The surgery door opens at 8:30 but no way would I be able to do what I need to do by 8:30 if I got in at 8:15. Flushing the chair through takes 4 minutes alone. Not to add getting the patient notes, setting up computers, dental surgery and de con room and then on top doing daily de con checks and compressor checks. The company are definitely CF and should pay from way before 8:15. If I don't get in earlier we'd just run behind all day. No thanks!

I hope you get paid to set up.

I can walk into one of my jobs the minute I start. I just have to hang my coat at the door on the way in. And I do.
I quit one job because I was expected to arrive and set up before my shift started. I wasn’t being paid to set up or put away, it was necessary to do this for the job. I got half an hour taken off whether I ate my lunch or not. The company were too stingy to pay me the extra hour a day they expected me to work.

@ejhhhhh

Why hasn't the OP been back to explain how her nanny isn't ready to work as soon as she steps through the door? Is it because the OP needs to handover to her? In which case that's working, not getting ready for work, so OP needs to pay her nanny for that time.

Exactly, especially seeing as it's hot an office job and I can't see why she's need to be in earlier

Some jobs just require you to switch your phone and emails on at your start time- some people manage to do those things on the move. Work places have had to be more flexible due to covid.
I arrive an hour early at the very least as a teacher, not because I'm expected to, but because I don't know how else I'd prepare the hundred things I need to do before the school day begins.
I also reply to emails and do admin on the commute.
Every job and every person will be different 🙂

@TheAirbender

This thread makes me feel lucky never to have worked anywhere that was that bothered about this point. I now work from home but I lived and worked in London corporates for 12 years and was often expected to work very late, answer calls/emails on the weekends. Anyone bothered about me rolling in at 9.05-10.00am or whatever would have been an unpopular manager indeed!

They would be bothered if you just did your contracted hours though

They would be bothered if you just did your contracted hours though

"Just" your contracted hours?! I'm pretty sure you're doing something wrong if you're regularly working more than your contracted hours.

@ReeseWitherfork

They would be bothered if you just did your contracted hours though

"Just" your contracted hours?! I'm pretty sure you're doing something wrong if you're regularly working more than your contracted hours.

Read her post. No one was “bothered” about her starting work between 9-10am because she was expected to work outside her contracted hours.

I suppose it depends what's considered acceptable in your own workplace. It would be late for many places.

I had a TA in my classroom who started at 9am and was coming in at 9 on the dot, putting her bag in the cupboard then wandering off to the staffroom for a coffee and her Weetabix, usually returning around 9.20am. I asked her politely so many times to please not do this as I needed her in the classroom for a child with an EHCP who needed quite specific help. It wasn't that easy for me to do that for him, when I had another twenty nine 12 year olds to get started on their lessons. She was so pissed off that I even mentioned it. In the end I had to go to my HOD and ask her to speak to her. That did the trick for about a week then she handed her notice in as she felt that I was 'unflexible'.

I work somewhere where I just work my hours so start time is when I like. I count start from when I log on to my computer or enter a meeting and not from when I'm in the building.

Yes.

I think it's evident from OPs lack of response, that the OPs nanny is ready to start at 9am, but that the OP would like her to start earlier for a handover. And they don't like the responses indicating that the nanny should be paid for the handover, that the nanny's actual start time should be 8.45am or however long the handover takes, so they've therefore remained silent. I hope this isn't an indication of how they treat their nanny in general, or they can expect to be nannyless before too long!

Definitely late. You need to be ready to start work at 9 am, which means coat off, bag sorted, at desk (or wherever), and a few breaths taken. Personally I always got to work an hour before, to prepare and have quiet time to work in peace. When I was dropping young children at nursery it was much less, 15 mins before. I also would not rush off at the instant my hours were up. It doesn't create a good reputation to be a clock watcher, just by spending a little extra time can create a better reference for when you want to move up or on. Obviously there are some days when you run in on the dot of 9 am, but they will be accepted as you're usually there at 8.50 am.

Depends on your work ethic, the job and the expectations of the company etc.

When I was 17 and got my 1st real job, I got a verbal warning for arriving "on time" even though no one had ever told me I should arrive 10 minutes before - I had no idea, I thought 8am start meant get there for 8.
At 17 I would come in hang my coat and bag up which took less than 1minute and get started straight away - not make tea and chat etc. Now I'm 35 and in a senior position I look back and yep I think that was a bitch move from my old manager.

But if staff come in and eat breakfast, have tea, chat, need time to warm up to doing any work then they should be turning up before their contracted work hours start.

I would take my coat off before 9 AM and walk to my workstation but anything else such as switching the computer on or handover is part of the job so wouldn't expect to do that before 9 a.m. Why should employees do that in their own time?

@Murdoch1949

Definitely late. You need to be ready to start work at 9 am, which means coat off, bag sorted, at desk (or wherever), and a few breaths taken. Personally I always got to work an hour before, to prepare and have quiet time to work in peace. When I was dropping young children at nursery it was much less, 15 mins before. I also would not rush off at the instant my hours were up. It doesn't create a good reputation to be a clock watcher, just by spending a little extra time can create a better reference for when you want to move up or on. Obviously there are some days when you run in on the dot of 9 am, but they will be accepted as you're usually there at 8.50 am.

So how much unpaid labour did the company get from you then?

Depends on the job. I start at 7, so I arrive about 5 to.

When I worked on the 11th floor I used to class the time I entered the building as my start time it wasn’t my fault they moved me there

My classes start at 9. I start teaching then. Anyone who walks in when I have started teaching is late.

if a job needs 9ne abd a half hours preparation then that is part of the job and you should be paid for it.

This drove me nuts when I worked in a shop. 20mins hanging about. That's 1hour 40 minutes a week unpaid.
But they want you in early so you already to start on time. But you weren't paid for that either.....

If course it's late. I'm a TA and we have to be in the classroom by 8.45 ready for the children arriving at 9am. I get there for around 8.30 as do most other people. It's nice to have a chat, put your bag away, nip to the loo, get anything ready for the day.

Cleaning the clinic is work. You should be paid for it.

Were you paid from 8.45?

Goodness, I can see where I’ve been going wrong all my life… but I still disagree with most of you. If the job doesn’t require exact times, then why not arrive at 9, start at 9.15, but leave at 5.15. I cannot see the problem but all of my bosses and friends do.