If you start work at 9 am, is it OK to walk through the door at 9 am ?

[mmhhhkkkk]

Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

@DecadentlyDecisive

Our company policy is that your start time means that you're at your desk, logged in & ready to go.

It's in our contracts.

Then I would expect my employer to make sure there was a decent computer system. As a part timer I got the shitty computer. What started as arrive at desk 5 minutes early to log in and be ready to go, soon became 15 minutes early - unpaid - and getting longer.

Regardless of 'company policies'; 'human rights' and 'contractual obligations'; how about personal attitudes to work?

If you breeze through the door at 9am, when you're paid to be working from that time, then you have a shitty attitude.

Of course you are late you need to start work at 9 not get there. If you were going to the theatre and it said performance starts at 8pm I’m assuming you’d arrive before that to be seated to see the curtain up.

If you breeze through the door at 9am, when you're paid to be working from that time, then you have a shitty attitude
I must have a shitty attitude as I breeze in bang on time. However I stay on with out complaints if staff after me are running late or a report needs doing a meeting runs over, child has gone missing and support is needed etc Yeah, a right shitty attitude!

It depends entirely on the job.

My contracted hours are apparently 9-5.30.

What I actually do on the days I'm in the office is make sure I'm in for the morning meeting at 9.15, take only about 30 minutes for lunch and because I need to get away to pick up kid from nursery I leave around 5pm.

But I get the job done, and I'm good at it. On days when I'm wfh I work a bit longer.

This idea that you have a "shitty attitude" because you aren't at your desk at a mandated time when 5 minutes either way makes no difference is bullshit, at least for many jobs.

Depends what the job is, my job is pretty flexible. I start at 9 officially but don't get to the office till around half 9 but i work through my lunch and make up hours other times and my company don't care.

Why is she not ready to work at 9?

What does she need to do before she's ready? When I did a lot of babysitting, I would be ready to work as soon as I knocked on the door.

If it's because you're not ready and want to relay certain things to her, then that's on you. If that's the case you could write them down for her to read when she gets there?

If you breeze through the door at 9am, when you're paid to be working from that time, then you have a shitty attitude. Shitty attitude from a company to expect more than they're willing to pay for IMO. If you work in a job where you need to start dead on 9 (call centre line clicks on at 9, you start seeing patients at 9, the shop opens at 9) and the company wont pay you to be there beforehand to prep then that speaks volumes about the type of company, and not one that I'd personally want to work for.

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Regardless of 'company policies'; 'human rights' and 'contractual obligations'; how about personal attitudes to work?

If you breeze through the door at 9am, when you're paid to be working from that time, then you have a shitty attitude.

I have a great attitude to work and I often breeze in at 9. I am formally paid to be working from 9-5.30, but I will often stay late, work from home or be thinking about work way beyond those hours.

There may be many jobs where you may need to be present at x o’clock to start doing the thing you do but please be aware that there are many jobs where what you’re describing is petty presenteeism and not an example of attitude or commitment.

@mmhhhkkkk

Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

I would say that is late, be at your desk, sat in the meeting etc. ready to start your day. It is the same for leaving, if you are supposed to finish at five then finish at five, but too many people stop working half an hour before, then just get up and leave once the clock hits five.

As a nanny employer, I say pick your battles. A good nanny is worth their weight in gold. Mine is sometimes a few minutes late, never more than 5, and I let it go. It’s not a big deal and she would stay later if I asked her (never have yet). Plus I don’t want her to start being early because I’m still getting out of the shower!
If you have arranged for her to start at 9 because you need to start work or leave the house at 9, more fool you. You need at least 10-15 mins handover time before you need to dash.

NO
If you worked for me !

Ready to work at 9, whether that’s logged into a computer, phone system, nursing patients, seeing clients, serving customers, etc.
I have a colleague who might walk through the door at 9, but she then goes and does her hair in the toilets, goes to the canteen with a colleague to get a coffee, speak to a few people, etc. She’s lucky if she’s back at her desk by 9.30, never mind working.
She’s also the one who ‘needs to nip off a bit early tonight’, at least once a week. If I managed her, I’d be having words.

@mmhhhkkkk

Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

Not a bit, that IS late. 9 start means you start work at 9. How isn't that obvious?

Not a bit, that IS late. 9 start means you start work at 9. How isn't that obvious?

Well it's apparently not obvious to the government, who state that if you are paid by the hour then national minimum wage is applicable for the time you are "AT WORK". The wording on their own guidance doesn't say "working", it says "at work".

I have a colleague who might walk through the door at 9, but she then goes and does her hair in the toilets, goes to the canteen with a colleague to get a coffee, speak to a few people, etc. She’s lucky if she’s back at her desk by 9.30, never mind working.

This is a completely different issue. This would still be a problem if the employee turned up at 8.45 and fannied around until 9.30.

@HollaHolla I think I would be inclined to kick her ass !

[quote linsey2581]@HollaHolla I think I would be inclined to kick her ass ![/quote]
Don’t tempt me!!!

I ask my team to log into any conference call a minute before start time so they are ready to go at the start time of the call. If they clicked on the link at the start time, they'd be late. Not much, but still late.

Why hasn't the OP been back to explain how her nanny isn't ready to work as soon as she steps through the door? Is it because the OP needs to handover to her? In which case that's working, not getting ready for work, so OP needs to pay her nanny for that time.

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Regardless of 'company policies'; 'human rights' and 'contractual obligations'; how about personal attitudes to work?

If you breeze through the door at 9am, when you're paid to be working from that time, then you have a shitty attitude.

Exact punctuality isn’t the clearest signal of an attitude towards work. It’s the efficiency and output (unless the jobs requires presence).

@notacooldad

What jobs have a clocking in and out system. I dont mean on a computer.

I have only ever worked for local and county authorities and have never done this. I've seen it on old films and didnt think they existed any more.

I don't know if it's the same now, but when my friend's son worked at McDonalds circa 2006 - 2009, they had to clock in (and out) then.

kitchen i worked in,
card clocking in and out system.

I clocked into my office place of work, it was a fingerprint scanner type and we were on flexitime.

If you were going to the theatre and it said performance starts at 8pm I’m assuming you’d arrive before that to be seated to see the curtain up.

Not a comparable situation at all. Your not paid to show up at the theatre. If it take time to boot up my computer, I shoals next paid for that time.

Fingerprint scanner was pre covid, don't know what happened during covid as I had left