If you start work at 9 am, is it OK to walk through the door at 9 am ?

[mmhhhkkkk]

Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

And if I was your nanny and you did make a big thing of this, I'd 💯 leave the house at my contracted end time, not a minute later.

@nannykatherine

I knew this was about nannies ...
The reverse of starting on time is leaving on Time ?
Does she walk out the door exactly at her finish time ...
I bet not as I never do ...

This. ^ I have said this before on here but I will repeat it, as it's a point well worth mentioning over and over. Bosses/managers who attack the employees for being a couple of minutes late, never EVER give them any praise or recognition for staying half an hour later than their actual PAID hours.

Indeed, SOME bosses/managers love to criticize and tell their employers how they can improve themselves and their work performance, but very VERY rarely praise their employees. They also constantly malign their skills, and force them onto learning courses (which simply tell them what they already know,) and 'skills improvement' courses, as if the employee is too daft to know basic knowledge and procedures.

And as has been said, they constantly expect them to stay after their paid working hours, and tell them they're not pulling their weight if they don't. I have even known people be threatened with the possibility of losing their job if other employees do better than them, and show the workplace 'more loyalty...'

The way some bosses/managers treat their workers these days never happened when I started work in the early 1980s. Bullying them into working an extra 5 or 6 hours or more (per week) for FREE, and threatening them with job loss if they don't conform. Not allowing proper breaks, treating them like a skivvy and a dogsbody, or a robot (or both!)

The Unions made sure this shit didn't happen.. Everyone was paid a good wage, everyone had allocated breaks and holidays, and NO-ONE worked a minute after their paid hours, because everyone did their work within their hours. And NO-ONE was made to feel like shit if they didn't work extra hours...

We had works social clubs, works outings, works parties, all sorts. All paid for by the company. Never see that these days. Most employers are too busy lining their own pockets, and don't want a single spare BEAN going to their employees...

In addition, most employees (when I started work in the 1980s,) lived 10 to 25 minutes walking distance from work, (or a 10 to 15 minute bus ride.) NOW, many people have a 2 to 3 hour round-trip commute. They're lucky if they have a work day of less than 12 hours.

It's a fucking disgrace the way some employers treat their workers these days. No wonder work stress is so high, and so many people are off sick, and stay off long-term. The workplace (for many,) is one of the highest causes of stress in their life.

Up to the mid 1990s, you could easily find an older person who had worked 40 years and had never had a day off sick. Would never happen now. Work MAKES people ill!

That's late in my book. Im a community nurse and our huddle at base starts at 8.30am (that's when our clock on time is). Everyone is normally in for 8am as we get a cuppy and start to organise the days workload. For those who are out visiting patients we are out the door by 8.45 and those who are staying a base get cracking as patients normally start arriving at 8.45am.

Before I got made redundant (purely because I worked part time and was a parent) I worked in an office 3 days a week. Used to come in early at 8.30 and leave at 4 30. Had to leave on the dot because of trains and nursery pick up. The majority of the team were young and childless. They all came in around or after 9.30 and messed around with porridge and other fluff and stayed until around 6-6.30pm. Senior managers were older generally. Every one of them thought I was work shy and the young ones keen and hard working as always still there when managers left. But they came in later...and did nothing after 5.30 when managers went home (except chat etc). They only stayed later as it suited thir social life to go on after work. I came in started work and maximised my time as they didn't make my work 3 days work when I dropped days post-maternity/baby. So always too busy. Because I had to leave early I was deemed as a skiver and that ultimately meant I was made redundant.
I am still slightly bitter about it. Classic example of discrimination and very very common. Still see it where I am now.

I can't believe this is about a nanny. YABU. A nanny who starts at 9 am knocks on the door at 9 am. As long as she's in your house, she's working and you are free to go. Unreal.

@Backonceagainwiththe

Before I got made redundant (purely because I worked part time and was a parent) I worked in an office 3 days a week. Used to come in early at 8.30 and leave at 4 30. Had to leave on the dot because of trains and nursery pick up. The majority of the team were young and childless. They all came in around or after 9.30 and messed around with porridge and other fluff and stayed until around 6-6.30pm. Senior managers were older generally. Every one of them thought I was work shy and the young ones keen and hard working as always still there when managers left. But they came in later...and did nothing after 5.30 when managers went home (except chat etc). They only stayed later as it suited thir social life to go on after work. I came in started work and maximised my time as they didn't make my work 3 days work when I dropped days post-maternity/baby. So always too busy. Because I had to leave early I was deemed as a skiver and that ultimately meant I was made redundant. I am still slightly bitter about it. Classic example of discrimination and very very common. Still see it where I am now.

Bad employer

Part time works are a lot more productive imo

@Kitchendrama1 it was a very large and well known name.

That's late in my book. Im a community nurse and our huddle at base starts at 8.30am (that's when our clock on time is).

So .. you are being paid from 8.30am then? Not being funny but what's the point of your comment then? The thread is about people who start at 9am and whether they should come in 10 or 15 minutes early (in their own time,) to 'set themselves up.'

And NO they shouldn't. If employers want people to come in 10 or 15 minutes early, they can pay them an extra hour to hour and a half, (per week) for coming in 10 to 15 minutes early every day.

That was for @linsey2581 ^

@mmhhhkkkk

She's not really ready to start, no.

Why? Does she come armed with her make up bag and hair straighteners, and go into your bathroom and spend 20 minutes preening herself and getting ready for the day, then go and make herself some toast and grab a cup of coffee?

Nope, I thought not!

She has turned up at your house for 9am. HER START TIME. How is she 'not really ready to start...?'

@MyPatronusIsACat the point I'm making is you should turn up a bit early to prepare for your day's workload. Our patients are supposed to start coming in at 8.45 but always arrive early, so instead of making them wait we go and attend to them.

Classic example of discrimination and very very common. Still see it where I am now.

Classic example of presenteeism. IME the discrimination is against anyone who doesn’t come in early and stay late regardless of gender.

@MyPatronusIsACat

That's late in my book. Im a community nurse and our huddle at base starts at 8.30am (that's when our clock on time is).

So .. you are being paid from 8.30am then? Not being funny but what's the point of your comment then? The thread is about people who start at 9am and whether they should come in 10 or 15 minutes early (in their own time,) to 'set themselves up.'

And NO they shouldn't. If employers want people to come in 10 or 15 minutes early, they can pay them an extra hour to hour and a half, (per week) for coming in 10 to 15 minutes early every day.

I think they all come in at 8am - so still coming in early to 'set themselves up' so an extra 2.5hrs a week from everyone in the team.

(though obviously 9am would be late in those circumstances)

[quote linsey2581]@MyPatronusIsACat the point I'm making is you should turn up a bit early to prepare for your day's workload. Our patients are supposed to start coming in at 8.45 but always arrive early, so instead of making them wait we go and attend to them.[/quote]
Make them wait - I'm being serious. My Mum always arrives early to appointments, not because she expects to be seen before her appointment time but because she always plans to get somewhere earlier than needed - especially if going on the bus as she will catch the bus that will get her there with plenty of time rather than the one where she feels she has to rush (or panic because it hasn't turned up) Hence she will be somewhere early.

OP - I had a fantastic lovely conscientious nanny work with us. She came into the house on the dot - at the time that she was paid to start. I think she used to wait outside in her car before coming in at exactly the right time. I always thought she did this out of respect for us- ie not to catch me in my PJs or running around in a towel looking for clothes.

@Whitefire we don't all come in at 8am there's a few that rock up at 8.25am. At the weekend we start at 8.15 and most of us are in between 7.45 and 8am as we have a lot of miles to cover and only work a half day

linsey the NHS are getting lots of free labour (as are education and public services) so you are in good company.

www.tuc.org.uk/blogs/work-your-proper-hours-day-lets-stop-working-free

Public services existence relies on the goodwill of the staff - and this is completely abused by central government.

Of course she should be ready at the time
You need her and you start paying her

To toowicked - how can I get a job like that?

Depends if it’s a job where you clock in. If it is it will be the clock in time

In my view, if an employer wants you to come in earlier than your start time they should pay an extra 10 minutes. In my experience people work much harder for employers that cut them some slack.

@Bodynegative

In my view, if an employer wants you to come in earlier than your start time they should pay an extra 10 minutes. In my experience people work much harder for employers that cut them some slack.

Exactly what I said. It's a bloody cheek for an employer to state a work start-time of 9am, and only start paying you from then, but then piss and moan if you have the temerity to turn up at 9am or just one or two minutes before, and not turn up 15 minutes early.

As I said earlier, if employers want their employees to start 15 minutes before 9am every day 'to set themselves up' and prepare for work/start the computer up/switch on the answerphone etc etc, then bloody PAY them for that extra 15 minutes!!!

Possibly the nanny needs the loo, maybe change clothes if working with kids, cup of tea etc. Some people fuff about a lot without realising. It works the other way round too. When I used to babysit, the mum would get back at the agreed time, say 11pm but then expect me to tell her how her dc were and would go on for a good 20 minutes extra which wasn't paid. Had to learn to have my coat ready as she walked in and say all went well and would text any issues.

Where I work it’s fine to walk in at 9am if you start at 9. I switch my computer on as it takes a while as they have never invested in IT (their problem, not mine) and make tea while it’s booting up, making conversation en route. By 9.05 I am online and sat down.

But then I would also have spent my 20 min commute reading and responding to emails, and usually work an hour late each day so it’s not like they don’t get their money’s worth out of me.

@Whitefire

linsey the NHS are getting lots of free labour (as are education and public services) so you are in good company.

www.tuc.org.uk/blogs/work-your-proper-hours-day-lets-stop-working-free

Public services existence relies on the goodwill of the staff - and this is completely abused by central government.

Thanks for the link, will show my partner who works for the NHS and never takes more than 10 minute breaks. Mostly because they are short staffed with lots wfh.