If you start work at 9 am, is it OK to walk through the door at 9 am ?

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Or is that a bit ' late ' ?

It's an unwritten rule you should be at your point ready and also etiquette to go a bit earlier, even if just 5 or 10 minutes. I suppose it depends on the job but males a better impression. X

My issues with the late starters, were they were paid per hour, with the agreed start time set at 8am, with all payment starting from that time exactly.
If it took them until 8.20am to actually start, they were essentially being paid and not working.
Some external contact workers could be on £60 an hour upwards so 2 or 3 getting off to a slow start whilst drinking tea could be costly.
Also my 8am start also involves a dangerous traffic situation, moving vehicles out onto busy road and is time sensitive and can’t be done safely without a second person.

Walk through the door at 8.50 - 8.55

I like to get there before my start time (8:45) so I can get myself a cup of coffee, do any personal photocopying I need, nab some paper clips for home and maybe a roll or two of sellotape if it is near Christmas or a birthday.

I can then have a scout round other people's desks (maybe sneer at some family photographs or child's 'paintings').

I don't use the toilet during my own time, of course, as I believe one of the very few perks is to do my 'business' during their business! And I am probably a liitle generous to myself with regards to the 'number of squares' of toilet paper that I use!

That said I am at my desk promptly at start of business (8:45) to deal with personal emails and catch up with Twitter and TikTok.

But not everyone is as conscientious as I am and many seem to arrive after the start time. 🤷‍♀️

@notacooldad

What jobs have a clocking in and out system. I dont mean on a computer. I have only ever worked for local and county authorities and have never done this. I've seen it on old films and didnt think they existed any more.

Typical government worker, can't even grasp the concept that not all jobs are the same

I don't suppose many places still have an actual time clock and actual cards there are apps to do that now but how do you think the millions of hourly lowly paid employees record their time on zero hours or low minimum guaranteed hours contracts?

I knew this was about nannies ..
The reverse of starting on time is leaving on Time ?
Does she walk out the door exactly at her finish time ..
I bet not as I never do ..
You need to chat to parents (who arrive bang on your finish Time or disappear within the house )
The children don’t always run to plan either so it works both ways ..

I would say you have to be ready to work at exactly 0900. If you can walk through the door and work straight away then technically no.

It wouldn’t work in my job, I need to have my pc ready etc and most importantly a brew 🤣🤣

I couldn’t cope walking in exactly on time, it would stress the actual fuck outa me! I like to be early 🤨🤣 xx

I know someone right now who is stuck at work from 8.30am, to 7.30pm or even 8pm, 2 or 3 days a week, even though her official finish time is 5pm. They keep her working overtime with meetings and deadlines, and say she cannot be dedicated to the job if she wants to leave 'early.' (AKA on time!!!)

Isn't it interesting how it's HER fault for not being dedicated to a job that isn't actually technically hers (as it needs to be done outside her working hours), but never the company's faulty for not being dedicated to their employees' well-being....

9am start means arrive at 8am for me…. This is why there is pay disparity. I learnt it from a successfull woman.

It impacts work / life balance of course, but the financial reward is worth it.

That's great if it works for you, but the people who are affected by this are disproportionately those on the lowest wages. Not everybody wants a career or success: they just want to do their job well during the agreed (paid) hours and then go home and live their lives - there's nothing inferior about that choice.

As an employer, I write it in to the contract as “ on your first task at 8am”.
This is also explained verbally to employees, that it does not mean walking in the door at 8am.

So do you mean that you conscientiously and fairly set their contract and pay to include their necessary job-specific prep/set-up time - or do you just bully/exploit them into giving you free working time every day?

I’m a manager of a store and during our busiest periods, that’s late. I need my staff there at 5 to to be ready to serve.

No problem at all with that - I presume they're contracted and paid from 8:55, then? Interesting that they're expected five minutes early during busy times but still not allowed to be in five minutes late when it's quieter - very unfair and one-way.

I think you have to be sitting down ready to work at 9am BUT after initial check of emails, check-in with collegues etc if something needs doing straight away I'd be okay with colleagues and direct reports then going to grab a coffee, stick their lunch in the fridge etc if they hadn't had time to do it before.

Once worked in a place which you clocked in with a key as you entered the door and that registered your start hour - but you could easily spend 30 mins getting to your desk via loo and the kitchen. And because it was flexi time that 30 mins still counted towards your hours. Was easy to take 2 hours off early on a Friday having spent those two hours having breakfast and doing your make-up.

And again

worksmart.org.uk/work-your-proper-hours-day

All those working (or managers expecting their staff to work) are contributing to the £35 billion worth of few hours - on average this means working till the 20th February for free.

Yay to the people.

Depends when they pay from.

So OP isn't coming back to explain how the nanny isn't ready to work then

Yes! Me too! Sounds like we work the same place 🤣🤣 I have exactly the same rigmarole except my pc is old as time and takes a million years to boot up - even if I just lock the screen 🙄👊🏼

@Mary46

9am its late. I temped. Logged in around 8.53 grab a coffee. Start my work. If you only coming in at 9 its 9.15 before you get going.

@whitefire

So if you arrive at 8.53 it takes 7 minutes to get going, but 15 if you come in at 9?

Ba ha ha ha ha.

@Bard6817

9am start means arrive at 8am for me…. This is why there is pay disparity. I learnt it from a successfull woman.

It impacts work / life balance of course, but the financial reward is worth it.

Nope. NO job or career is worth sacrificing your / family/ home life/ children / friends for. Not if you value them anyway.

Anyone who values their job more than their family/ children/ friends, doesn't deserve to have any of them.

I had a direct report that believed the start of the shift was walking in the door at that time. The problem was it was a massive office building and it then took him about 20 minutes to get to his desk and sitting down ready to work. It was a 20-person team where each position depended on the other person's input and everyone else was ready to work at the start of their shift.

As an employer, I write it in to the contract as “ on your first task at 8am”.
This is also explained verbally to employees, that it does not mean walking in the door at 8am.

So do you mean that you conscientiously and fairly set their contract and pay to include their necessary job-specific prep/set-up time - or do you just bully/exploit them into giving you free working time every day?

In response to these concerns:
My employees live literally 12 steps from my front door ( their place of work).
They live in high spec studio apartments provided by me at no cost, with all bills and utilities paid by me. The rental value of each apartment is £550/650 per month.
They have sole occupancy of each apartment.The have a new car also provided by me, MOT, tax, insurance, breakdown cover, repairs and services all covered by me.
The cars are solely theirs for personal use.
They also get free all inclusive trips with me to the Caribbean, USA and France as well as private gym membership and dental care.
They have complimentary coffee shop cards that I keep topped up.
They work less than 5 hours a day, for 5 days, no more than 2 hours at a time.
I don’t consider them to be exploited in any way and I don’t feel that I am asking too much of them to show up for work at the agreed start time.

@MidsummerMimi

As an employer, I write it in to the contract as “ on your first task at 8am”. This is also explained verbally to employees, that it does not mean walking in the door at 8am.

So do you mean that you conscientiously and fairly set their contract and pay to include their necessary job-specific prep/set-up time - or do you just bully/exploit them into giving you free working time every day?

In response to these concerns:
My employees live literally 12 steps from my front door ( their place of work).
They live in high spec studio apartments provided by me at no cost, with all bills and utilities paid by me. The rental value of each apartment is £550/650 per month.
They have sole occupancy of each apartment.The have a new car also provided by me, MOT, tax, insurance, breakdown cover, repairs and services all covered by me.
The cars are solely theirs for personal use.
They also get free all inclusive trips with me to the Caribbean, USA and France as well as private gym membership and dental care.
They have complimentary coffee shop cards that I keep topped up.
They work less than 5 hours a day, for 5 days, no more than 2 hours at a time.
I don’t consider them to be exploited in any way and I don’t feel that I am asking too much of them to show up for work at the agreed start time.

Wow - what is the job and do you have any openings! I'd turn up early for sure.

Wow.. I cant believe you're asking this question. Its a total piss take and speaks volumes for you as a person in my opinion

@icedcoffees

Depends on the job.

Retail where you need to be on the shop floor for opening at 9am, it's late. An office where you're not public-facing and can easily stay a bit later - no big deal.

I work a job where 9am means anytime between 8.30-9.30, lol. I'm a dog walker and give my clients time-slots as opposed to set times. Makes things so much easier!

I work in retail and we've had a few managers who rota us in for the time the shop opens, so paid from that time and then expect us to come in early to get ready. Err no. We now have a manager who pays us to start 15 minutes before opening. Works well.

"Marmite27

I’d say it was late.

It’s 9am at your desk, logged on and ready to work IMO."

This, you need to be ready to work at 9am.

If you want me to be there at 8.30, pay me from 8.30. Else I will be at my desk, ready to work from 9am on the button.

Depends on the office setup. If there is a bit of chat yes it is 9.15!!! That was my experience.

@TwoLeftSocksWithHoles

I like to get there before my start time (8:45) so I can get myself a cup of coffee, do any personal photocopying I need, nab some paper clips for home and maybe a roll or two of sellotape if it is near Christmas or a birthday.

I can then have a scout round other people's desks (maybe sneer at some family photographs or child's 'paintings').

I don't use the toilet during my own time, of course, as I believe one of the very few perks is to do my 'business' during their business! And I am probably a liitle generous to myself with regards to the 'number of squares' of toilet paper that I use!

That said I am at my desk promptly at start of business (8:45) to deal with personal emails and catch up with Twitter and TikTok.

But not everyone is as conscientious as I am and many seem to arrive after the start time. 🤷‍♀️

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I don't really get how a nanny isn't ready to work as soon as they've arrived? As long as they're in the same building as the child, surely that's ready enough? I wouldn't sweat over this, it's not like they need to log onto a computer to start work, or join a meeting.