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To say being late all the time isn't a trait you are just rude

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username4s · 05/09/2021 20:21

AIBU to thinks it's not funny. it's plain rude and shows a lack of respect for the other person?

I often see/hear about people who are always late and it's as if it's just a funny trait of theirs. I don't agree it's shows a lack of care for other peoples time. Are these same people always late for work/school runs/other important commitments or do they suddenly manage to organise themselves and be on time.

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8Sense8 · 07/09/2021 09:01

@Chartreusegreen

That would irritate me.

Do you don't like being early and waiting, so you expect everyone else to wait for you! So arrogant.

No I don't expect others to wait, as I never expect to be late. It also doesn't throw me when others run late in soci sutuations. It's not a perpetual habit. But I recognise that I probably sometimes get somewhere 5 or 6 mins later. When others do it, and they do - it doesn't bother me. Why would it? Get rid if the rigid opinion that everyone must live by X exacting standards and there is no issue. Walk away, cancel if you must. But why the accusation and drama?. If it was 30 mins I would be concerned and if that always happened, I wouldn't be in a hurry to see them. But some folks here seem to like judging others. I guess they may have been judged and criticised a lot. I just refuse to be upset by these things. If I found someone's behaviour to be arrogant, I just wouldn't spend time with them. I wouldn't go slinging accusations and judgements Smile If I've been held up I phone and chat as I travel. But it only happens occasionally, not perpetually. I'm not defending myself ir anyone. Just suggesting that there are different ways of perceiving and acceptance. If someone was 30mins+ late with no explanation, wouldn't you just check they were ok and/or call it quits?

Snog · 07/09/2021 09:07

I'm not willing to deal with persistent lateness in relationships so I drop friends who are like this.

SIL I can't drop - but I never make any arrangement to meet up with her, just see her at other peoples events or if she drops in at our house. I really like her so if she wasn't like this I would definitely meet up with her a lot more often.

Chartreusegreen · 07/09/2021 09:14

@8Sense8

Hours late is obviously disrespectful. Who wouldn't be annoyed by that blatant disregard for others. (There's surely a whole back story there from her side re whether she really wanted to attend).

It wouldn't phase me in the slightest if someone arrived at 10:35 or 10:38 for a 10:30 meet up. I'd expect a text for 10:45 lateness and wpuld roll with it. Life is just too short. I have two lovely neighbours. We all get things done effectively. But one neighbour will open her calendar/diary to fit you in for a cuppa and needs 2 months notice (no exaggeration). You couldn't be 5 minutes late for her. The other neighbour and I love the spontaneity of a chat over the fence. Both lovely women with different approaches. It doesn't make one better than the other. Just different.

Yes, life is too short... to be stood waiting around for other people!
peaceanddove · 07/09/2021 09:29

@8Sense8

I always aim to be on time but in truth I'm a poor judge of how long anything can take. Plus I have a bad habit of adding in as many tasks as possible in any situation. So this combination can mean I'm late. I probably need to learn to arrive early and sit and wait but I'd find it agitating. It wouldn't occur to me that someone would be cross for me not being there when they arrive, as I don't get annoyed very often...I would much prefer someone to be late than early when coming to my home. Maybe that's just me.
So, you know you have a problem accurately estimating how long it takes you to get ready. Fine. Give it your best estimate and then double it. Sorted.

And as for not liking arriving early because you find it agitates you? Well, trust me, the poor person who has to sit waiting for you is just as agitated. This is just proof positive that Habitual Lates put themselves and their priorities first.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 07/09/2021 09:33

@brokenbiscuitsx

I don't think anyone said they have no deadlines. I posted at 13.06 yesterday and said I have flexible deadlines. Several people have misinterpreted 'flexible deadlines' to mean no deadlines but I'm not sure anyone claimed they actually had a job with no deadlines.

Rozziie · 07/09/2021 09:33

Yes, the above is a perfect example of rudeness and arrogance. Doesn't want to allow extra time in case they end up waiting because that's boring, but has no problem with making other people wait around for them, as that's not also boring and a waste of their time. Such a lack of self awareness.

Snog · 07/09/2021 09:38

I don't think ANYONE likes to be kept waiting. So if you are late you have had a negative impact on your friend who had to wait for you.

Some people don't care that they made their friend wait, other people think this is not a big deal or that they are incapable of being on time or early for anything, or that they can be on time for important things but wouldn't do this for a friend. Some people think it's ok for a friend to wait but would be a whole lot worse if they had to wait themselves as waiting is worse for them than for other people. I don't want to be friends with those people. If it's a trait then in my view it's a dislikable trait.

peaceanddove · 07/09/2021 09:47

I agree. Habitual lateness just translates as SELFISHNESS 95% of the time. They arrange their schedule in a way that best suits them with no regard to how it might inconvenience others.

I have no wish to spend time with people like that.

shesellsseacats · 07/09/2021 09:51

@lockdownmadnessdotcom

Yes some people have conditions which makes it difficult to keep track of time. Actually people do accept that on this thread.

What they (I) don't accept is that grown women with families haven't learnt, by the age of 30 or 40 or 50 to develop strategies to help them get to places when they need to be there; and in fact we know they have, because nearly all of them will make it on time for a flight or medical appointment - because they have to. So I'm back to my original point - you simply don't think your meetings with your friend is important enough to make the effort.

And given everyone has a mobile phone these days they can call or text to say they are running late rather than leaving a friend hanging around. In the days before mobile phones you'd be hanging around for half an hour wondering if you were in the right place, if you had the right time or whether your "friend" was even coming.

More judgemental nonsense borne of ignorance.

It's common for women especially to be diagnosed with ADHD in our late 30s and 40s. After having DC, basically.

I had learnt coping strategies in my 20s. I used to get taxis to work when I was late, for example. Cost me a bloody fortune but it helped.

But when I had DC, all my coping mechanisms plus the just-in-time readiness I was managing by the skin of my teeth was out of the window, because firstly my life had changed so lots of the coping mechanisms either weren't appropriate or achieveable any more - but also we ADHDers really don't cope well with distraction, and kids are basically one massive, non-stop distraction.

This morning, for example, I was helping DS find the pens he needed for his pencil case. I had 2 pens and a pencil in my hand. DD then asked for help with the tie on her dress. I put the pens down and as I was doing it I thought, "I know where they are". I tied her dress. Then DS asked for the pens and I HAD NO MEMORY AT ALL of where I put them. None. Finding the pens added time to our morning. There were several similar incidents which all add up.

Also, I find it really hard to hold all the things in my head I need to, to get three of us ready at the same time. Or to plan all the things in advance. Or to know how long those things take.

WRT airports, as I explained upthread, I never get a morning flight and have to clear the entire morning to give myself enough time to leave the house early for the PM flight. I can't do that every time I leave the house else I'd be getting up in the wee hours and not sleeping!

I often miss medical appointments. I am getting better at this but my health has certainly suffered.

In this article about the ADHD tax (usually the extra money our disorganisation costs us) they also touch on health. It's scary reading.

[The ADHD tax is] the price you pay for costly mistakes due to symptoms of ADHD. Some obvious examples are parking and traffic tickets, late fees, high interest debt (i.e. credit cards), and low credit score (leading to higher interest debt, inability to get loans, problems renting apartments and buying cars, etc.). Sound familiar?

But get this: those are only perhaps the most common examples. The hidden ADHD Tax can be much much higher. In fact the hidden ADHD Tax is not measured in dollars: it’s measured in wasted time, physical well being, mental health, personal freedom (vs. incarceration), and — yes — years on your life.

Here’s a statistic that got my attention: People with ADHD have a lifespan that’s up to thirteen years shorter than people who don’t have ADHD. Given that perhaps 5% of the population in the US has ADHD, this constitutes a national health crisis.

Given the hell I put myself through getting me and the DC out of the door, it really galls to hear people like you saying I'm late because I don't think meeting my friends is important. It's fucking horrible, it pretty much always ends up with me out of breath, totally stressed, feeling like my brain is melting. I make a huge effort, I really want to be there on time and I often still fail anyway. It's immensly frustrating.

And then when I consider how ADHD affects my life more generally, including my health and relationships, it would be really nice if people could be a bit more understanding of what we're up against.

You don't need to spend your life waiting around for people who are crap at timekeeping if you don't want to, that's your choice. But judging us with this narrow minded, black-and-white, tunnel vision approach is out of order IMO.

I do let my friends know if I'm late btw. I don't understand why people don't, but I'd like to hear from those people who don't before deciding I know what their motivation is.

shesellsseacats · 07/09/2021 09:52

Habitual lateness just translates as SELFISHNESS 95% of the time. They arrange their schedule in a way that best suits them with no regard to how it might inconvenience others.

And you know this... how, exactly?

hazandduck · 07/09/2021 10:03

You sum up exactly how I feel @shesellsseacats Excellent post. It is so stressful trying to get the 3 of us ready and out my chest actually hurts from it most days so I can imagine it’s life-shortening! And I do everything I can to be prepared (clothes laid out night before, bags packed by the door even water bottles filled etc). Totally exhausting and upsetting that I still fail most of the time.

GreyhoundG1rl · 07/09/2021 10:08

And as for not liking arriving early because you find it agitates you? Well, trust me, the poor person who has to sit waiting for you is just as agitated. This is just proof positive that Habitual Lates put themselves and their priorities first.
God, yes. The sheer self absorption of that post 🤦‍♀️

toooothacheee · 07/09/2021 10:50

@8Sense8

I always aim to be on time but in truth I'm a poor judge of how long anything can take. Plus I have a bad habit of adding in as many tasks as possible in any situation. So this combination can mean I'm late. I probably need to learn to arrive early and sit and wait but I'd find it agitating. It wouldn't occur to me that someone would be cross for me not being there when they arrive, as I don't get annoyed very often...I would much prefer someone to be late than early when coming to my home. Maybe that's just me.
So you get agitated sitting and waiting when you have made the effort to be a bit early?

But it doesn't occur to you that you might agitate someone by keeping them waiting by your lateness?

Do you realise how selfish that sounds?

Bollindger · 07/09/2021 11:01

We know it is selfish because MOST people about 95% of us have told you so.
If you don't think it is selfish your the 5%.
You will be missing out on things, because people just won't let you know about events. You see we cut you out, avoid you and smile to your face.
This does not include people who have disabilities, or genuine reason such as ill children most of us are not that cruel.

8Sense8 · 07/09/2021 11:06

Has it occurred to anyone here that I've been talking about being 5-6mins late maximum on the odd occasion? And with friends who do the same on the odd ocassion? I've been accused of arrogance, self absorption and more. Do you really really feel that this is an appropriate, measured response? Truly? Why the emotional out pouring? I'm not defending 5 minute lateness. I am recognising why it occasionally happens. Perhaps your responses need some reconsideration? I've also added that 15mins late isn't ok. There are some posters here who really need to find out about their transference and counter transference issues. I do not represent every person who has ever upset you. I am not here to have insults hurled at me. Take a good look at yourself. No don't do that. It's clear you've had enough unpleasantness directed at you, for you to act this way. Peace. Flowers

GreyhoundG1rl · 07/09/2021 11:16

Has it occurred to anyone here that I've been talking about being 5-6mins late maximum on the odd occasion?
Honestly? No. All that "I find it too agitating" and you now claim you're talking about 5 minutes max? Sure.

AveryGoodlay · 07/09/2021 11:28

Chartreusegreen where have I said that? What a weird interpretation of what I said. Just because someone is late doesn't mean you don't apply common sense to the situation. There's always the option to leave or....not stand in the rain!

GreyhoundG1rl · 07/09/2021 11:31

There's always the option on the part of the one who is late to actually make contact? Given that they're the one causing the problem?

AveryGoodlay · 07/09/2021 11:33

GreyhoundG1rl see my above post. They may be unable to call.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 07/09/2021 11:34

@8Sense8

Has it occurred to anyone here that I've been talking about being 5-6mins late maximum on the odd occasion? And with friends who do the same on the odd ocassion? I've been accused of arrogance, self absorption and more. Do you really really feel that this is an appropriate, measured response? Truly? Why the emotional out pouring? I'm not defending 5 minute lateness. I am recognising why it occasionally happens. Perhaps your responses need some reconsideration? I've also added that 15mins late isn't ok. There are some posters here who really need to find out about their transference and counter transference issues. I do not represent every person who has ever upset you. I am not here to have insults hurled at me. Take a good look at yourself. No don't do that. It's clear you've had enough unpleasantness directed at you, for you to act this way. Peace. Flowers
Well said! I wondered earlier whether I should try to explain that when I said I was late as often as I was on time, I was referring to 5-10 minutes max. Then I figured there would be no point. Those of us who have tried to explain that we have ND conditions and how these affect our abilities to function day-to-day have repeatedly been disbelieved, patronised, shouted down, and told that we are selfish and arrogant. By people who then have the gall to claim they obviously wouldn't treat someone with disabilities so cruelly.
CuntAmongstThePigeons · 07/09/2021 11:38

Yeah I'd love to see what some of these posters would say to people who struggled with a physical disability. Actually, I take that back, I'd hate to hear what they would say. Its undoubtedly as horrible as the things that have been said on this thread.

8Sense8 · 07/09/2021 11:48

@GreyhoundG1rl - maybe read my subsequent, clarifying posts? Chill out girl. I'm not all the people who've hurt you. SmileI was recognising that I'd got into a bad habit and said that. But this isn't a safe place to be honest is it WinkShock

Rozziie · 07/09/2021 11:52

@CuntAmongstThePigeons

Yeah I'd love to see what some of these posters would say to people who struggled with a physical disability. Actually, I take that back, I'd hate to hear what they would say. Its undoubtedly as horrible as the things that have been said on this thread.
The treatment of ND people really is abhorrent. I've been sighed at, huffed at and eye rolled at for asking for the most basic accommodations, like asking someone to stand back a bit and give me a bit of personal space or explaining that I might need a little bit longer to process information. Because I look like a normal, healthy young woman, I obviously must just be some precious princess rather than having a registered disability. Then neurotypicals make comments about how we're aggressive and angry with the world...wouldn't they bloody be if they were treated like shit every single day?!
Blueskyrainshowers · 07/09/2021 11:59

Most of us don't mind the 10 mins or so wait. I have lots of friends who do that, and it doesn't bother me at all.
One of the friends I mentioned upthread will usually be at least an hour late, and I do find that problematic. In the past we've arranged to go to each others house (with and without our children) I go to her at the time arranged, give or take, but if she's coming to me you can guarantee it's much later. I would find it stressful if she'd say she was coming after school drop off for example, and then appear at 11.30. She'd have gone off to do errands and always had a plausible reason for it being 11.30. She'd be fine if I'd gone out by the time she arrived, but it's quite sad that even now ( she's not changed at all) we can make an arrangement and I'm likely to say to DH, ' I might be seeing X on Saturday'.
We took to me going to hers most of the time, and the number of times I've got there to find she's in the shower, or not home from somewhere, despite having messaged. Basically I put a lot of work in when I do see her, in order to make it happen.
I don't doubt that she finds it difficult, and she probably does have undiagnosed ADHD. I enjoy her company but sadly our meets are getting fewer and further between.
We have talked about it but she really doesn't think it's a problem. She so kind, once she's pinned down, and always says things like we should do this more often. She's funny and interesting too. I love our conversations.
I don't know, it's just that element of time not being important, she really doesn't seem to grasp that her friends wait for her, while she's faffing about, and not answering her phone either.
Saddest of all is I can see that over time she has lost friends, because all our lives are busy and the rest of us tend to connect with people we know we can rely on.

Naimee87 · 07/09/2021 12:32

I can never be on time i'm either waaay too early or waaay too late! Just seem to be one of those people with the best intentions but plans just go out the window at the last minute! I never intentionally leave late or like to leave a person waiting it's just circumstances seem to change from one minute to the next! Out of my control (kids PS4 suddenly needs password re-setting or work or the dogs acting up/escaped or little old lady neighbour walks into our building with shopping just as i'm headed out the door) any number of things Interestingly it seems to be the same people i leave wating all the time! People have noted it as a trait but i'm sure some are offended! I've no issue with people being late as i can totally relate!

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