to be pleased with the Ofcam ruling on Piers Morgan

[TeloMere]

Even though I can't stand the bloke?

[quote FreddyKreugersWife]@Marguerite2000 She said they exchanged private vows. Many cultures and countries such as America have 2 weddings, a private one and a legal one. It wasn't a lie. It was a cultural difference.[/quote]
Oh come on.

@SlipperyDippery It's reality. The insular cultural/racial ignorance of UK people is astonishing. Where I am the paperwork is done after the ceremony. And many people have 2 ceremonies, or just a DeFacto 'commitment ceremony' if they don't believe in government marriage. The inability of people to understand the world doesn't live by UK rules is just staggering.

It was a cultural difference

It was a lie. You are either married or you are not in BOTH countries!
I think M&H have even acknowledged their mistake anyway when the Bishop came forward and confirmed the date (and it was not three days before) She was talking about the rehearsal I think, and perhaps that had meaning, but she shouldn't have said that is when they really got married, because it clearly wasn't and it is illegal here.

@PwySyddYma

I'm the same. I wonder if it is a Welsh thing.....

@stepupandbecounted

It was a cultural difference

It was a lie. You are either married or you are not in BOTH countries!
I think M&H have even acknowledged their mistake anyway when the Bishop came forward and confirmed the date (and it was not three days before) She was talking about the rehearsal I think, and perhaps that had meaning, but she shouldn't have said that is when they really got married, because it clearly wasn't and it is illegal here.

No, it wasn't a lie. Your inability to understand culture does not make her a liar. The Bishop merely said that the legal marriage was on the date 3 days later. He didn't confirm or deny a private ceremony.

But H&M are not greek/Hindu or any other religion freddy they got married in a traditional way with the CoE so I am not sure why you are spouting 'insular ignorance' It doesn't get more mainstream than Windsor Castle

[quote FreddyKreugersWife]@SlipperyDippery It's reality. The insular cultural/racial ignorance of UK people is astonishing. Where I am the paperwork is done after the ceremony. And many people have 2 ceremonies, or just a DeFacto 'commitment ceremony' if they don't believe in government marriage. The inability of people to understand the world doesn't live by UK rules is just staggering.[/quote]
But it was UK rules- they were in the UK!!!:)

There wasn't a private ceremony that is why, there was a practice run!

@stepupandbecounted

A lot of people agree with what Piers has to say, and they are entitled to that view and a voice, and a platform. We can't shut down everything we don't like. Those that did not agree with him had the option to press a button and watch another programme.

I am so glad the UK so far seems to be resisting the shutting down of debate and conversation, tolerance and sharing of different views. I hope now the universities and other places will take note. We need dissenting voices.

I disagree actually. What seems to be happening is that people with offensive views are being simpered over as precious flowers and allowed to insult people.

Piers Morgan stomped off his own show and was a knob head. Not illegal, but a knob head in his job and now we are expected to say “oh it’s fine, it isn’t illegal”.

He’s rude.

[quote FreddyKreugersWife]@SlipperyDippery It's reality. The insular cultural/racial ignorance of UK people is astonishing. Where I am the paperwork is done after the ceremony. And many people have 2 ceremonies, or just a DeFacto 'commitment ceremony' if they don't believe in government marriage. The inability of people to understand the world doesn't live by UK rules is just staggering.[/quote]
But they were married here in the U.K…not elsewhere. I’d bet anything they celebrate their anniversary on the date of the big wedding…..not on the date 3 days prior. Even if Meghan was confused as to what constitutes a legal marriage and what isn’t I’m sure Harry must have known. Surely even in America there is a point/date regardless of vows where paperwork is signed and it becomes legal? Because that doesn’t happen at either a rehearsal or in your back garden when your privately exchange vows with no witnesses.

@stepupandbecounted

There wasn't a private ceremony that is why, there was a practice run!

As far as I’m aware she said they exchanged vows privately in the garden with the archbishop. Obviously not a legal ceremony but that’s what she tried to say had been the actual marriage. I’d assume there was also some sort of dummy run at Windsor?

@stepupandbecounted

But H&M are not greek/Hindu or any other religion freddy they got married in a traditional way with the CoE so I am not sure why you are spouting 'insular ignorance' It doesn't get more mainstream than Windsor Castle

It's not about religion. It's about cultural differences. Even in Australia you can exchange vows in a ceremony and not be legally married. This is also common in the African American culture. Whether it was CoE or not is irrelevant. As an African American, Meghan used a term that is in common parlance in America. Maybe not in the UK. But Meghan didn't grow up in the UK.

He is allowed to be rude, that is the beauty of living in a democracy. He can stomp off, be rude and that is okay.

You can say anyone is offensive, that is the problem with the woke ideal. I can be deeply deeply offended and triggered by YOU iggly because your name causes me to have panic attacks based on a very negative childhood experience. Therefore I don't want to hear from you. I am going to close you down - is that okay?

@znaika But Meghan used common parlance that was familiar to her. She wasn't to know the UK are really strange about marriage.

Meghan got married here in the UK, and as such you are LEGALLY only allowed to get married once, and with the correct paperwork.

She did not get married twice, she got married once. That is total BS.

@FreddyKreugersWife
"The inability of people to understand the world doesn't live by UK rules is just staggering."

The inability of someone getting married in the UK, at a cost of £30m, after coaching and pre-marriage counselling by the Archbishop of Canterbury no less, to understand what constitutes a legal marriage in the UK is what is staggering.

If she hadn't voiced so many other lies and innuendoes, your theory of cross-cultural misunderstanding might be plausible.

@stepupandbecounted

Meghan got married here in the UK, and as such you are LEGALLY only allowed to get married once, and with the correct paperwork.

She did not get married twice, she got married once. That is total BS.

She never claimed she LEGALLY got married more than once.

She called their private vow exchange a marriage. Because that is what it's commonly called.

Hooray for free speech! Long live the privileged white man and his right to troll a woman over a number of years in the international media.

A real victory for the everyman.

Oh please; as if there was ever a moment where Piers Morgan's free speech was ever threatened. The man hardly ceased wittering on about her for years!

If you are going to bother to get married in a country that is not your own then at least have the good sense and intelligence to understand what you are doing.
I can't believe she would be that stupid that she did not know when she was legally getting married, can anyone possibly be that stupid?

She got married once, and that was in front of millions, as she wanted it to be. The wedding was everything she wanted.

[quote PostingForTheFirstTime]@FreddyKreugersWife
"The inability of people to understand the world doesn't live by UK rules is just staggering."

The inability of someone getting married in the UK, at a cost of £30m, after coaching and pre-marriage counselling by the Archbishop of Canterbury no less, to understand what constitutes a legal marriage in the UK is what is staggering.

If she hadn't voiced so many other lies and innuendoes, your theory of cross-cultural misunderstanding might be plausible.[/quote]
You're all stuck on the 'legal' part. You can have a marriage and it not be legal. It's still a marriage. Just not legal. Why are people having such difficulty understanding this?

If she hadn't voiced so many other lies and innuendoes, your theory of cross-cultural misunderstanding might be plausible.

She never voiced any other lies.

@IntermittentParps

I bet Mrs Morgan says he's "a really good father".

ajandjjmum, I didn't know the details; thanks. So she decided not to progress the friendship and his oh-so-fragile ego can't handle it. What a diva he is.

Or she decided not to continue the friendship when she had wrung everything she needed out of him?

It is called a rehearsal freddy

@stepupandbecounted

If you are going to bother to get married in a country that is not your own then at least have the good sense and intelligence to understand what you are doing. I can't believe she would be that stupid that she did not know when she was legally getting married, can anyone possibly be that stupid?

She got married once, and that was in front of millions, as she wanted it to be. The wedding was everything she wanted.

I can't believe she would be that stupid that she did not know when she was legally getting married

You're still not getting it. She knew when she was legally getting married. That doesn't mean that she can't describe the vow ceremony as a marriage, too.

@PostingForTheFirstTime

To all of you repeating that

     it is not the government

The government is not the only institution we have to worry about in this respect, as Maya Forstater (and Julie Bindell and many another feminist threatened by not-the-government) can tell you.

This man was required by his line manager to apologise for saying he believed Meghan Markle to be a liar. He refused, and was required to resign or be fired.

Like Maya Forstater, he lost his job for stating a belief (that turned out to be the truth).

But because it wasn't the government (in either case) doing this we shouldn't be worried or mention freedom of speech concerns?

@PostingForTheFirstTime

This also applies to a lot of our universities.

Voice an 'unpopular' opinion and you will be managed out. There seems to be 'correct' views to hold and if you disagree your career will be up the spout irrespective of whether or not your view impacts your job.

The UK is not "really weird" about marriage. The UK tax payers funded her multi-million pound wedding. She got caught in a lie.

He is a dick no question, but giving the rich and powerful a free pass to say whatever they like in the public sphere just because you like them helps no-one.