to be pleased with the Ofcam ruling on Piers Morgan

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Even though I can't stand the bloke?

Piers is a bully and he said about Meghan was disgraceful, why on earth would you be happy about it?

@Marguerite2000 She said they exchanged private vows. Many cultures and countries such as America have 2 weddings, a private one and a legal one. It wasn't a lie. It was a cultural difference.

'He’s blocked me on Twitter, because free speech doesn’t work both ways in his world, so at least I don’t have to put up with his gloating'

That's not how it works. You are still allowed to say it, he just doesn't have to listen.

Can't stand the man but he absolutely has every right to say people may be telling porkies.

@MrsRobbieHart

He was told to apologise or leave. I think he’d have preferred to stay (and not apologise) but out of the two choices he had he’d rather leave.

Ahh thank you. I don’t think that counts as cancel culture though. He was bloody offensive and GMB didn’t want to provide a platform for that. We have freedom of speech but not freedom from the consequences of what we say.

Absolutely, but we also have employment law. It’ll be interesting to see if he does have a case…..now he’s been cleared and told he was entitled to say it. Of course itv may have a “don’t bring us into disrepute” clause in his contract but I think he could now successfully argue it wasn’t enough for disrepute. He could also argue he was employed to be an opinionated arse (he’d be right).

I really think they’ll want to bring him back now….all they care about is ratings and he was good for ratings.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences.

People found it offensive and complained in the only way they knew - to Ofcom. While he may not have broken any rules, he was still rude.

I could call someone a fat nasty small minded small penis of a man and say that’s freedom of speech, but I wouldn’t be surprised and shouldnt be surprised if that someone was offended and responded accordingly.

That’s the issue I have - people have lost their minds thinking freedom of speech is being repressed because many of us think that manners cost nothing.

[quote FreddyKreugersWife]@Marguerite2000 She said they exchanged private vows. Many cultures and countries such as America have 2 weddings, a private one and a legal one. It wasn't a lie. It was a cultural difference.[/quote]
Nope. She said they got married before the big wedding. She’s not totally thick….she knows a marriage is a legal ceremony.

If she’d said they’d just exchanged private vows prior to the wedding you could have a point. But she said they were married.

@CovidCorvid Actually in America, Europe and other countries, exchanging private vows IS getting married. The paperwork isn't the ceremony. She said nothing wrong. It is common in America to say you 'got married' if you only exchanged private vows. This has been explained over and over on this site. There is no excuse for ignorance any more or for this 'lie' to be held over her when it wasn't a lie.

@ilovemydogandmrobama2

I seriously don't understand why Piers is so triggered by Meghan

Off topic but I'm "triggered" by Tom Cruise 😂 don't ask me why I've never met or known the man, but he makes my skin crawl and I have an irrational hatred of him 😳 I'm odd I know...🤷🏻‍♀️

Marriage is not a legal ceremony @CovidCorvid . The PAPERWORK being signed and filed is. But a ceremony on it's own is not legal.

TheFairyCaravan:

He’s blocked me on Twitter, because free speech doesn’t work both ways in his world, so at least I don’t have to put up with his gloating.

But surely this is what free speech is all about. Do you think he should be forced to read your tweets?
We're free to chose the opinions we listen to or read.

The irony.
Morgan gets to pass his opinion - no problem with that. When Alex Beresford, the weatherman passed his opinion to Morgan, Morgan stomps off in a hissy fit.
You couldn't make it up.
I think that sums up most people who froth about 'cancel culture' quite nicely.

The people going on that it’s not about freedom of speech do know that freedom of speech was mentioned in the Ofcom ruling? I don’t like him but he was right to question her.

So both her and dimwit Harry thought they were married did they? Or was it just her? Bizarre people defending this nonsense!

To all of you repeating that

     it is not the government

The government is not the only institution we have to worry about in this respect, as Maya Forstater (and Julie Bindell and many another feminist threatened by not-the-government) can tell you.

This man was required by his line manager to apologise for saying he believed Meghan Markle to be a liar. He refused, and was required to resign or be fired.

Like Maya Forstater, he lost his job for stating a belief (that turned out to be the truth).

But because it wasn't the government (in either case) doing this we shouldn't be worried or mention freedom of speech concerns?

'She said nothing wrong. It is common in America to say you 'got married' if you only exchanged private vows.'

Perhaps, if that is all you're doing. But they had a flashy grand public wedding 3 days later! To say 'we got married in the backyard 3 days before' kind of suggests we'd all been tricked and it wasn't actually the real deal we were watching. We know that, they know that.

@FreddyKreugersWife

Marriage is not a legal ceremony *@CovidCorvid* . The PAPERWORK being signed and filed is. But a ceremony on it's own is not legal.

Fair enough but as far as I’m concerned signing the paperwork is part of the marriage ceremony. Certainly has been at every wedding I’ve been to. Bride and groom and two people go and sign the paperwork privately and then come back out. 🤷‍♀️

But because it wasn't the government (in either case) doing this we shouldn't be worried or mention freedom of speech concerns?
I'm not worried, because he has been cleared, and freedom of speech preserved.

A lot of people agree with what Piers has to say, and they are entitled to that view and a voice, and a platform. We can't shut down everything we don't like.
Those that did not agree with him had the option to press a button and watch another programme.

I am so glad the UK so far seems to be resisting the shutting down of debate and conversation, tolerance and sharing of different views. I hope now the universities and other places will take note. We need dissenting voices.

@Iwanttobeapaperbackwriter

I'm pleased, the erosion of freedom of speech and the cancel culture is terrifying

Agree. Although the man is a pig.

He should be immediately reinstated as a matter of principle.

@Mrgrinch

I hope he goes back to GMB, I haven't watched a single episode since he left.

Same.

@Janiiejones

'She said nothing wrong. It is common in America to say you 'got married' if you only exchanged private vows.'

Perhaps, if that is all you're doing. But they had a flashy grand public wedding 3 days later! To say 'we got married in the backyard 3 days before' kind of suggests we'd all been tricked and it wasn't actually the real deal we were watching. We know that, they know that.

Just get over it, enough already. The cultural differences have been explained she didn't say anything wrong by saying what she did. She didn't trick anyone okay. If you cant wrap your head around the fact people from countries have different cultural and different ways of referring to things and feel your being hoodwinked then how small minded you must be.

Ah yes calling bad mental health sufferers liars must become a protected belief at work even if you quit.

Why arnt i entitled to a daily platform on national TV?

why so tribal? She can be a liar and he can be a wanker surely?

The threat to freedom of speech at the moment is universal with big tech having massive overreach about what we see and what we can share. Big tech is far more powerful than individual governments (barring China) - see Aus vs. Facebook. so to say that the only defn of free speech is if we get thrown in jail by govts is utter nonsense. Ofcom's own judgement mentioned freedom of speech

If we say that it is fair that anyone but especially journalists (such as Piers Morgan) risk their jobs for pointing out things they believe to be untrue or unjust or illegal or immoral it is the end of the fourth estate.

Meghan is rich and powerful, she should not be targetted with hate but she should be scrutinised and held to account.