Am I a Karen?

[Magnoliamarigold]

Currently in a debate with a 19 year old nephew about transgender issues.

I believe gender is a social construct. But:

I don't believe in puberty blockers for 10 year olds.
I'm currently on my third IVF cycle and for this reason I'm not convinced young people (over 18) should take hormone replacement therapy.

Been reliably informed this makes me a Karen. AIBU?

How convenient @Bloodypunkrockers. That's how it always goes on this thread.

When black people complain about terms like Shaniqua etc, they are again dismissed by people saying 'I've never heard that.'

The onus is on you to learn, you can't plead ignorance.

He (or you if this is a made up conversation) has got his sexist insults muddled up, he (or you) mean terf.

I've no idea if you're a Karen, but science says you're mistaken if you think gender is a societal construct.

It's pretty well settled science that as a country becomes more egalitarian the gender differences actually grow rather than diminish.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30206941/

So @meraas can you not explain why the person who weaponises their relative privilege against people of colour - for example, when making police complaints against black people for minor or even - in numerous cases - fictitious infringements could be called a John/David/Simon?

@Meraas

How convenient *@Bloodypunkrockers*. That's how it always goes on this thread.

When black people complain about terms like Shaniqua etc, they are again dismissed by people saying 'I've never heard that.'

The onus is on you to learn, you can't plead ignorance.

Convenient or not I've still never heard the term Mary Sue used

It sounds American anyway.

I've heard Karen used plenty of times to shut up women who dare to have an opinion

Sorry, *couldn’t be called John/David/Simon.

Neither Mary Sue nor Shaniqua are in common UK usage. Google searches back this up.

I know what Mary Sue indicates, but I don’t know the origin. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Neither Mary Sue nor Shaniqua are in common UK usage. Google searches back this up.

Of course they are. Example below. If you read/watch TV, you'll know it'd common.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/apr/30/arya-game-of-thrones-ultimate-mary-sue

Mary Sue is a character trope from fanfic, and is a female character with no flaws.

@TheKeatingFive

I know what Mary Sue indicates, but I don’t know the origin. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Origin is in Wiki, Vox pages etc

So @meraas can you not explain why the person who weaponises their relative privilege against people of colour - for example, when making police complaints against black people for minor or even - in numerous cases - fictitious infringements could be called a John/David/Simon?

@MrsRobbieHart

So *@meraas* can you not explain why the person who weaponises their relative privilege against people of colour - for example, when making police complaints against black people for minor or even - in numerous cases - fictitious infringements could be called a John/David/Simon?

Perhaps because whilst men are more aggressive in their racism, it's women who are more likely to weaponise their tears, their 'fear' of black people etc and call the police over nothing. Women aren't the only ones by no means.

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Perhaps because whilst men are more aggressive in their racism, it's women who are more likely to weaponise their tears, their 'fear' of black people etc and call the police over nothing.

You mean racist women. Not just women.

Women aren't the only ones by no means

So the choosing of a woman’s name to describe this particular type of racist makes no sense.

Sure, racist women.

The choice doesn't have to make sense to you. Black people have a term they can use to object to racism, that makes sense to me.

Karen is a misogynistic slur which contrary to the belief of many people on Mumsnet, originated with white incel men on Reddit, not as a righteous term for challenging racism.

The OP has fuck all to do with racism, anyway.

It's simply yet another example of this misogynistic slur being used to dismiss an older woman a male doesn't agree with. As it's heavily skewed towards in the U.K usage.

Battering or killing someone: no nickname

Crying: gets nickname

I have similar views and am much older.
I am not a Karen but know a few, oddly one is actually called such.

You are a woman with an opinion that he doesn’t agree with but rather than debate he has chosen to try to silence you with insults. So, no, you are not that, but for calling you that, your nephew is a misogynist.

@MorrisZapp

Battering or killing someone: no nickname

Crying: gets nickname

Crying is fine if they want to. They just look unhinged. Calling the police to lie that a black person is attacking you less so.

@Meraas

Sure, racist women.

The choice doesn't have to make sense to you. Black people have a term they can use to object to racism, that makes sense to me.

It doesn’t havent to make sense to me, no. Are you saying I shouldn’t be trying to see the sense in it? Should I never try and understand something I don’t understand if it’s about racism? You say educate yourself and then say it doesn’t have to make sense to me, the implication being that’s all the information you’re going to give me so I should stop asking. In other words- you are shutting down the conversation. When asked to explain your use of a term.

YABU for using the term Karen. I won't even bother reading your post.