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Friend has decided to charge me to stay

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ploomo · 29/08/2021 13:25

I have friends (a retired couple) who have several times over the last few years urged me to come and stay with them. They have a very nice old house in the Settle area, with a separate 2-bedroom cottage in the gardens. Since they moved in 2016 it's always been 'Come and stay, we're so lucky to have this place and we want to share it. You can spend time with us but come and go as you please.' Earlier this year they invited me to come in September and I said yes and booked a week's leave.

I have another friend who was due to go away to Greece the same week but cancelled because of potential Covid complications. So I contacted my friends and asked how they would feel if my friend came with me. I emailed saying that I would be very happy to pay to rent the cottage as I would be bringing a stranger, and that we'd bring our own bedding and linen and leave the place scrupulously clean for the next occupants — basically, wanting to cause them as little work or hassle as possible. They emailed back saying they wouldn't take any money, any friend of mine was a friend of theirs. They said they'd host us both for dinner the first night and they'd take us out one day to a place they love, and that we could all go to the pub another night if we liked — but apart from that they just want us to have a good time.

That was more than a month ago. I spent about £150 on some special whisky I know they like and I've ordered some posh local artisan charcuterie and other goodies for them. This morning I've had an email from them saying that now they've had time to think about it, they feel that 'we would like to ask you and your friend to contribute £500 for your stay to cover electricity and other costs. We know that you will leave the place cleaner than you found it which is why we are happy to offer it at a reduced rate.'

I know that over the summer it's been let out for up to £1000 a week, so I suppose this is a good deal but I feel really sick and actually quite shaky about it. It's something about being offered a gift, a sign of appreciation and friendship, and then having it snatched back. I feel I can't really ask my friend to stump up the cash having told her it was free, so I'll have to foot the bill. If it wasn't for my friend really looking forward to it I'd tell them I couldn't come, but I'm going to have to go because of her.

Have they behaved badly or am I over-reacting? Who's BU —me or them?

OP posts:
Floralnomad · 29/08/2021 14:58

@pleasekeeptotheright

Hi friend,

I do appreciate you offering me use of your cottage and have been looking forward to seeing you. However, I had already told Leanne that there will be no cost for the trip and don't feel I can now go to her and request payment. We will make alternative plans.

Please rent out your cottage as normal and enjoy the charcuterie board I've arranged for you. Hopefully we will catch up next year. Take care, Sally.

I would do this . If they wanted you to pay they had opportunity to say so at the start and if they weren’t sure they should have said they would think about it and get back to you .
ChateauMargaux · 29/08/2021 14:59

@ploomo reply with
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Oh dear, this is awkward. I had assumed that it would perhaps be an amount to cover the costs but not so much. I have bought you a thank you gift of name of posh whiskey and assumed that maybe £150 would be more than enough to cover the cost of any utilities we might use. Unfortunately at this stage, I do not feel like I can budget for £500 for the week.

StormyTeacups · 29/08/2021 15:00

I think they are really quite stingy here tbh, and it would taint things. I certainly wouldn't want to go, and being a paying guest would feel odd in the circumstances and shifts the dynamic

On the other hand, I wouldn't have invited a friend without having asked first. Equally, if your friend was happy to pay to go abroad then presumably has some cash spare now to contribute towards this?

shivawn · 29/08/2021 15:01

I would politely cancel. The whole thing has been really badly handled by your friends and I don't think you should feel trapped in to these plans now. At the very least, tell your friend about this change and you can discuss whether or not to cancel it together.

Bluntness100 · 29/08/2021 15:01

Cancelling now as they want rent is going to end the friendship.

I really think that the issue here is you inviting a guest. As much as you don’t like it. That’s the action that caused their reaction. No way round it op.

Winemewhynot · 29/08/2021 15:01

Well, I think they did mean it as they offered it in the context of OP visiting them to spend time with them. I don’t think they expected her to use it as a hotel while on holiday with a friend instead of just coming to visit them

Agree with this: they’re seeing it as no longer their friend coming to visit them but their friend holidaying in their cottage with a friend.

MadeForThis · 29/08/2021 15:01

Just cancel.

KintsugiCat · 29/08/2021 15:02

Offer to add £50 to the total so they can start saving to have their wiring redone if it’s costing them £500 a week.

Imnothereforthedrama · 29/08/2021 15:03

Yeah it’s unreasonable at this late stage and £500 too . In my opinion they are actually profiting from you staying not a contribution to cover costs at all.
I think it’s unreasonable to go back on what they’ve said even if they have had a re think it’s too late IMO. Saying that though I agree with others that bringing the friend has probably changed their minds so you have 2 options pay and definitely don’t bring gifts or don’t go .
I actually think you need to tell your friend and you can decide together what to do .

GinIronic · 29/08/2021 15:07

@KintsugiCat

Offer to add £50 to the total so they can start saving to have their wiring redone if it’s costing them £500 a week.
This!
ploomo · 29/08/2021 15:08

You’ve never stayed there. Is it possible you aren’t as close to them as the friends and family who have stayed there for free?

More than possible. We message a couple of times most weeks, we speak at some length each month at least. They've stayed with me a couple of times over the years, but I'm not family.

Would you have been staying in the cottage in their garden if your friend wasn’t there or would you have been in the main house?
In the cottage. They prefer all visitors in the cottage as far as I know. Even their children and grandchildren, except at Christmas.

I gave them ample opportunity to get out of saying yes to my friend coming with me. I said they only had to say that they it didn't suit them and I wouldn't mention it again and no offence would be taken. Instead they said that she was welcome and any friend of mine was a friend of theirs.

I've told my friend what's happened and she thinks it's quite funny and wants to pay the £500. She says it'll be worth it to torture them gently. She suggested we sit and drink the whisky in front of them. She entirely understands my misgivings. Honorable, decent people don't keep changing the rules of engagement. That's what's thrown me.

OP posts:
ditalini · 29/08/2021 15:11

They are behaving badly. Who does this?

They had ample opportunity to say that a) they didn't want your friend to come - that would be perfectly reasonable, or b) that, as you suggested, they would be happy to rent it to you for x amount.

They didn't take the opportunity and it's sheer bad manners to contact you now and move the goalposts. It would have been better even to have come up with some excuse to stop you coming at all.

Ugh. The whole trip will be akward and potentially very damaging to your future friendship and all at the low, low price to you of £500 Hmm.

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/08/2021 15:12

@ploomo I think that they wanted you to come and visit them, and of course wouldn’t have charged you.
You’ve changed the situation in that you’ve invited someone else along, that they don’t know, so it’s going to be more of a holiday for you and your friend, rather than simply going to see your friends.

They were caught off-guard and accepted the idea of you bringing a friend, but on thinking about it - with the current situation - perhaps had a niggle that either you or your friend were looking on the trip as a free holiday, so have decided to go half-way.

I think it’s a bit cheeky of you to invite another person to your free stay with your friends. It does change things. I think you should accept the reasonable cost with good grace.

I did vote ‘yanbu’ at first, because your friends had seemed to agree to bringing a friend then changed their minds, but you’ve changed the terms and they have reciprocated, albeit latterly.

Bagamoyo1 · 29/08/2021 15:13

If your friend is happy to pay half, I’d still go, but I wouldn’t give the owners a gift at all.

DeRigueurMortis · 29/08/2021 15:13

I think it's a difficult situation all round.

I think you moved the goal posts by inviting a friend and they then moved them further by asking you to pay.

The problem is that everyone probably thinks they are being reasonable.

You asked about the friend and they said yes (for free). In addition you've bought presents, offered to bring bedding and deep clean the property - something you wouldn't do for a rental. Plus you somewhat restricted in your movements wrt socialising with your friends.

For their part they've offered a reduced rate and think it's likely that bringing the friend has changed the dynamic for them. It's no longer hosting a friend, it's providing a holiday for a party of people, one of whom they don't know.

I think when you asked about the friend they probably felt put on the spot, but really it would have been better if they'd thought first about it.

I'd probably get back to them with the reply a pp suggested because I just can't see under the current circumstances how this is going to work without both parties feeling a bit put out/resentful.

"I do appreciate you offering me use of your cottage and have been looking forward to seeing you. However, I had already told Leanne that there will be no cost for the trip and don't feel I can now go to her and request payment. We will make alternative plans.

Please rent out your cottage as normal and enjoy the charcuterie board I've arranged for you. Hopefully we will catch up next year. Take care, Sally."

icedcoffees · 29/08/2021 15:15

I gave them ample opportunity to get out of saying yes to my friend coming with me. I said they only had to say that they it didn't suit them and I wouldn't mention it again and no offence would be taken. Instead they said that she was welcome and any friend of mine was a friend of theirs.

The problem is, saying all that would just make them feel really guilty if they turned around and said no - like they were ruining your break.

I think there's been bad behaviour all round. You should never have asked to bring your friend in the first place, but once they refused to take payment, they should have just dropped it.

DoubleTweenQueen · 29/08/2021 15:15

To reply to some comment - it is bad manners to invite a.n.other to someone else’s home on the back of a personal invitation! Cottage in the garden or not.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 29/08/2021 15:15

They are sex people. You bringing a guest has complicated matters. Their proper friends have asked for a refund but they’ve spent it on lube and poppers. 😉

Back in the real world senza pampas grass, I’d be off my tits on whisky 🥃 and posh cuts.

Friends don’t charge after an invite. Even if you bring a friend along. Friends shouldn’t offer a gift then charge for it either.

I’d be cancelling because they are not friends.

CanofCant · 29/08/2021 15:17

Even if they had said no straight off, they still might have felt offended you asked on the first place as it showed different intentions. Would you have still gone alone?

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 29/08/2021 15:21

I don't understand this at all. The point at which the friend was mentioned is absolutely germane: had OP asked to have the cottage and pay for it, and they'd said 'No charge' and THEN mentioned the friend, she'd be a CF and no mistake. But they've said 'No charge' KNOWING about the friend . . . and at some subsequent point changed their mind. And they're not asking for a token sum, either. Five hundred sponds, ffs.

I'd cancel. They're not being fair.

PuggyMum · 29/08/2021 15:23

I don't think asking if you can bring a friend was cheeky. It's not like you were spending the entire week with them and had made plans.

I say that as someone who rents out an annexe and we have friends visit as we're close to some attractions. We've had step kids and friends end up tagging along and it's fine because it's offered for them to use.

I think it's a shame they have done this at this late stage and I'd have to politely decline the use of the cottage and look for somewhere else.

Tistheseason17 · 29/08/2021 15:24

You changed the dynamic by asking your friend (not their's) AFTER they said you could stay gratis.

You need to suck it up - glad your friend has agreed to pay.

And no need to punish them - you changed the plan - not them.

1forAll74 · 29/08/2021 15:25

YES, this is a bit of a come down, and quite unreasonable of them, They saw you as a friend, but now a customer as you want to bring another person with you. Pound signs ringing in their ears now, and not a jolly, friendly get together with just you.

WombatChocolate · 29/08/2021 15:25

Very awkward.

Either way, the relationship is soured. If you go, you’ll feel resentful at having been asked to pay, late in the day. If you cancel and don’t go, the connection to them having asked for money, whether that’s spoken as the reason for not going or not, will hang in the air.

I think they made the error not you. It is their error that will mean the friendship is changed. You offered to pay when introducing the idea of a friend coming, and they could easily have accepted or asked for a token gesture or £500 at the time. That would have been fine. But they turned that down and generously offered it to you both for free. To later rescind is where the problem lies.

I don’t think you’ll be going there again. So, it’s up to you and I’d decide based on how much I wanted a holiday. If I really wanted one and to go, I’d pay the £500 and go. You could send it with a pointed note about being happy to pay, but you’d wished they had said earlier etc etc….but probably nothing to be gained by this and a whole lot of awkwardness will exist whilst there. If you’re going to go, pay the money, try to get beyond feeling aggrieved and enjoy their company whilst there.

If you don’t want to go, some of the earlier suggestions of reply are good ones. You can be honest about the cost stopping you going but also friendly and ask them to enjoy the charcuterie and make defence to hoping to see them again. If you send this reply, it will no doubt make them feel quite awkward.

It’s up to you whether you want to make the point to them that they have behaved poorly by turning down your offer of payment when introducing the idea of a friend, then rescinding the fee offer, or to let it go.

The gracious thing here, wouldn’t be to make the money a big thing. Even though they have done the wrong thing by asking for it late in the day, letting it go unspoken as an issue, is the way to avoid them feeling bad….but it depends if you are able to and want to be gracious here, or if you’re annoyed and want to make a point.

It would have been fine for them to ask for money which you’d offered, when you mentioned the friend. It was rather mean to say ‘no’ and later ask it, changing the terms that had been agreed. They probably already have a sense of that. Perhaps they changed their minds because they had been making lots of money through the season and were regretful about not going for another week of normal letting, perhaps they thought twice about an unknown coming for free, or perhaps they had some sense suddenly of you taking advantage (no suggestion if it in your post…but people do sometimes suddenly develop these feelings about others) but regardless, I think it was wrong to change the terms of the offer after it had been made.

If it was me, I think I’d still go. I’d reduce the gift significantly and pay the money as it’s still a good deal. I’d work hard on getting my head round being gracious and enjoying the holiday and just seeing it as a lack of social skill on their part. I’d try not to let it make me feel bitter about it and I’d try really hard not to make pointed remarks about it whilst there. But I probably wouldn’t ask to go again.

TomFuckery · 29/08/2021 15:26

It's possibly pissed them off that you've invited a friend.
Personally I'd cut my losses and cancel, get the gifts refunded and book something else.
Then visit at a later date
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