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To not want an awake child around at 11pm when I'm on holiday PART DEUX

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FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 28/08/2021 00:41

First thread

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4332702-to-not-want-an-awake-child-around-at-11pm-when-i-m-on-holiday

OP posts:
EKGEMS · 29/08/2021 01:43

My god the sanctimommies are out in force tonight

Ionlydomassiveones · 29/08/2021 01:49

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This has been withdrawn at the poster's request.

PandemicAtTheDisco · 29/08/2021 02:09

I've met an older 'Allyssa' and mum. She's the one that 'needed' to come along to the hen party and her mum never really got over the fact everyone said her PFB wasn't welcome, couldn't come and they certainly wouldn't change anything to make it a more child-friendly event.

Allyssa does have friends as a teenager but they have big fallouts and she's not really that nice to them. She can be fairly horrible to other children (despite being so sensitive herself) and needed supervision when younger as she was bossy and wouldn't let everyone play, changed the rules to suit her and would always be in the middle of arguments.

I never had the nerve to discuss the mum's parenting with her - but our friendship stalled after a few horrendous playdates. At her house they did what the daughter wanted, at our house they had to do what her daughter wanted.

She was the child that had to have a turn blowing out the candles on everyone's birthday cakes and win all the party games.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 29/08/2021 02:16

Epic threads!

I've just skipped to the end to say... I feel so validated to read that others hate that stupid, patronising 'how to talk to kids' book.

mathanxiety · 29/08/2021 02:25

Dictatorships get good results.
Fear gets good results.

Doesn't support creativity and diverse thinking.

Constantly disrupted classrooms, classrooms where students expressing themselves, trying to be creative leaders, and showing evidence of thinking or even willingness to engage with the curriculum get mocked, interrupted, and intimidated into silence are not the best either. Lots of talented, willing students find themselves stuck in classrooms like that. They deserve better.

3GreenPullups · 29/08/2021 02:37

Hope you are asleep now OP and tomorrow (today) is not too brutal.

You were right to stand up for your DD. She must have had a really nightmare time having to pander like that.

FWIW I have a SEN child who has mega meltdowns and tantrums. But he is always pulled away from the situation to calm down then asked to apologise when he has done wrong. None of this 'there there' nonsense.

Justilou1 · 29/08/2021 03:04

This kid is a trainee narcissist. The fact that the mum is basking in her glory means a lifetime of enmeshment for the both of them. The little boy will be invisible or even victimized poor kid. I would have flipped my kid a long time before you did. You deserve a tiara, lots of ibuprofen and a case of wine waiting for you when you get home.

mamabear715 · 29/08/2021 04:53

Wishing OP a decent morning and hoping 3 Breakfasts might have had a think about things & apologise, but not holding my breath..

Safe trip home OP and I wish you all joy in the peace of your own home & bedrooms - imagines you flopping across said beds!

Also sadly imagines 3Brek's neighbourhood kids saying oh hell, the bitch is back, and sloping off home..

BudrosBudrosGalli · 29/08/2021 05:06

It's fair to say that even Gandhi would have been lost his rag and gnawed on his dusty sandals in rage with Alyssa. I'd cool off the friendship to about minus 10 degrees after the mother colluded with her brat to abuse your DD.

LoislovesStewie · 29/08/2021 05:35

Alyssa is going to be one PITA when she grows up, she is going to be the colleague that no-one likes, she is going to lose friends rapidly but still think that the sun shines out of all of her orifices. She won't have a kind bone in her body. And all because she never heard the word 'no'.
I'm sorry you had such a rotten holiday. And I hope your kids recover from the plague of Alyssa.

JacquelineCarlyle · 29/08/2021 06:32

That was so out of order Op. Glad your DD handled it so well but I'd have gone nuts at your friend supporting her DD to scream at your DD! What sort of adult does that!

Hope you get home safely.

peachykeenjellybaby · 29/08/2021 06:41

Wow, what an update!

I cant envisage how this friendship would continue

I dont think anyone would have handled that situation the way your friend did. Embarrassing

She is never gonna see your point of view. Poor
Alyssa is a spoilt brat. Your friend is not doing her any favours. What will happen in a couple years when she goes to secondary school?

decoratedstandardlamp · 29/08/2021 06:42

@Pianoandpoems

Sorry, couldn't resist... Smile

There was a Mumsnetter called Frangi
Whose holiday made her so angry,
But it wasn't the plumbing, the noise or the place,
It was an 8 year old girl with an angelic face.

But how, you cry now, did this child cause such stress?
Was it tantrums, or rudeness, or refusing to dress?

No my dear reader, it wasn't one simple thing,
Although her insistence on winning was enough of a sin ...
The true cause of the ire was her bedtime routine
Which really and truly was not ever seen.

She would not settle like all good children do
And actually behaved like a bit of a poo
She pranced and she danced and caused quite a big stir
And never set foot past her own bedroom door

Our poster, who needed a bit of a break,
Couldn't speak out for good friendships sake
But instead would witness (while silently seething)
A child, with no manners, her rest time stealing

But didn't her mother just send her to bed?
No my sweet reader, the mother was led
On a wild merry dance of indulgence and pleading
While all other children were peacefully sleeping.

The moral with children is that friends you may be
But spoiling the child is not good when there's three
Some lines should be drawn, and some rules put in place
So mums can get rest and wake with smiles on their face!

... Flowers for you Frangi ... hope it all works out Smile

Fab fab fab
ApolloandDaphne · 29/08/2021 06:48

That all went spectacularly tits up. Thank goodness you are leaving today. That's one friendship you will need to reassess.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/08/2021 06:51

I hope you're up and feeling ok this morning.
I don't think you should leave without saying goodbye to your friend, unless you've already written the friendship off completely and plan on never seeing her again.
You are correct - you did nothing wrong and neither did your DD - but your friend is not helping her DD by indulging her in this fashion, and she would benefit from realising that (not that I expect you to say anything further to her on that score!).

If she raises anything to you about Alyssa and how wronged she was, I think using your teacher experience would be useful to say that she's going to have a hard time as she gets older, if she constantly expects everyone to consider her first, as that's a very narcissistic trait (fostered by mum's allowance of it, but you don't need to add that).

At this stage, continuing to be friends with her is doubtful anyway, so you're unlikely to lose much by saying that Alyssa needs to wise up and start growing up.

If you do decide to avoid her completely, then I would think that's the friendship dead and done entirely.

I'm sorry your last day was made so awful by the histrionics and I hope your DD wasn't adversely affected by it - but at least you had witnesses and other people to go out with afterwards!

1AngelicFruitCake · 29/08/2021 06:59

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

"Dick chats?"

We weren't talking about you @DoWhatYouWantToAndShh

😁😁😁
Window1 · 29/08/2021 07:05

Having seen how far apart your parenting style and views are all week, I'm not sure a chat this morning will resolve anything unless you agree to disagree.

Maybe in future just be friends as adults without the children? (If you value and want the friendship to continue?)

Teacupsandtoast · 29/08/2021 07:14

Here for the morning update...!

itsgettingwierd · 29/08/2021 07:19

I know an Aylissa.

It's so mentally draining.

I brought a large paddling pool once and she did this over not being the first in (well if she wasn't haven't a strip over putting her swimsuit on she may have been!) and then refused to get in and stood at the edge screaming at ds and her sister about not being splashed.

My (now ex) friend actually pandered to her dd and told the other two off rather than telling her dd who was screaming at the other 2 about being bullies to move away from the water if she didn't want to get wet!

She completely damaged her DD - well both of them actually.

Oomph · 29/08/2021 07:20

Me too! Make sure you’ve sobre up before taking the wheel, OP!

Skybubble · 29/08/2021 07:21

I hope you are feeling okay this morning @FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop
You had done all you could to salvage a circus of a holiday, You stayed calm and humorous and tried to make the best out of a difficult situation, your friend should be thanking you and your dd for tolerating A for the past week. I hope you enjoy your last day with or without your friend.
I am going to miss this thread when it finishes.

Buttons294749 · 29/08/2021 07:22

Your DD is so brave, at 9 I would definitely have cried if an adult intimidated and had a go at me, great to see how she can handle herself in tough situations

Rifalo · 29/08/2021 07:24

Your friend was so out of order. She went to confront your child with her own screaming DD.....I would have absolutely lost my shit at that point OP so you did amazing.

Monstertrucks · 29/08/2021 07:25

Really feel for you OP - what an awful situation to be in.
You've done so well all week - I hope this morning goes ok and you get home ok.
Walk away with your head held high x

stepupandbecounted · 29/08/2021 07:27

DONT LOSE YOUR STRENGTH now Frangi. I put it in block capitals to try and ensure it is read among the fracas.

Your dd has handled this exceptionally well, for a full week she has put up with Alyssa do NOT let her down now. You leave, heads held high and you wait for an apology from 3breakfasts. Her/their behaviour was a total disgrace at the adventure park. Your poor dd!

Why not pack up your car first thing and then take a walk with your dc and have breakfast out? Treat the kids to a little present on the way back for being so incredibly well behaved and take a slow ride back late morning. You are in no rush really, just keen to avoid any confrontation I imagine.

We are behind you Frangi! Flowers and biggest well done to Emma too, you have done a wonderful job raising her to be an assertive kind young person Bear

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