To not want an awake child around at 11pm when I'm on holiday PART DEUX

[FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]

First thread

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4332702-to-not-want-an-awake-child-around-at-11pm-when-i-m-on-holiday

Sad, it's such a ridiculous thing to fall out over. I can understand an 8 year old being upset at not getting on the air thing I've never heard of first (is it like a bouncy castle?), but I'd have expected her mum to talk her down and explain that getting to something first doesn't matter, she's on it now and realise her daughter's OTT competitive streak will make her unhappy if she doesn't learn to relax a bit about trivial stuff. I feel sorry for the younger daughter too, she will maybe start playing up if she sees Alyssa getting all the attention that way, or just feel second best.

Air pillow thing

@BluebellsGreenbells

Air pillow thing

The very thing!

There's a difference between being smug and being very frustrated at having to live with the consequences of somebody who's pretty determined not to bring their child into line.

And I do understand the pain of having a child who's different, and who struggles with social situations. I had to take DS1 out of school when he was 13 and home-ed him because he was bullied so badly for being different. He has dyspraxia, Ehlers Danlos syndrome and Aspergers. But I still think Alyssa's mother has handled the situation appallingly and has been incredibly unfair to OP and the other kids (and, actually, to Alyssa as well).

I'm sure OP will get a slot on gogglebox or Jeremy vine to discuss shit parenting.

The whole holiday sounds awful.
You've endured a child up until midnight ruining your dick chats.
You've spent hours on here garnering support from strangers to update about the hideous brat of an 8 year old that you've painted to be demon product of your friends shit parenting.
We've all had a great laugh at gentle parents while missing the point they're not gentle parents, but ignoring that and high fiving our superior skills.
All culminating in a scrappy doo over air pillows, flouncing to the pub with new friends to slag off old friend.

Chants of 'wine wine wine
Tales of kicking over Dobble and drunk packing.

Friend deserves speaking to away from her kids. You might not be able to be friends after this, and I'm sure you don't care, but maybe a sober non judgemental chat would stop any further ill feeling.

Good luck.

"Dick chats?"

We weren't talking about you @DoWhatYouWantToAndShh

@BluebellsGreenbells

Imagine going to shout at a 9-year-old for getting to an air-pillow before another kid. It's pretty nasty, bullying behaviour

This from a ‘gentle’ parent?

Yeah right when it suits her child.

Op never said the other mum shouted at her child.

No. You were watching horrid Henry

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

"Dick chats?"

We weren't talking about you @DoWhatYouWantToAndShh

:o:o:o

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop was about to say something but I’m glad you did!
How fucking rude and condescending.
How dare an adult want to have an adult conversation without children around.

Although I expect any minute now that will have happen too

Eugh it’s not been a long time coming. But all sounds a bit stressful to me. Your friend is bat shit and her daughter is worse. Time to go your separate ways

You’re not the sun love, now fuck off to bed
33 pages later, but nicking this

No, she didn't, I misread that.
But she backed up her daughter screaming at Emma, and told Emma she should apologise for nothing, which was also pretty reprehensible.

...from what you’ve described the kid sounds like she has some pretty major self-esteem/insecurity issues. Which could also explain the sleep problems.

Agree, @YouMeandtheSpew

Maybe she has these problems because clarity wrt expectations has not been provided by her parents. This can happen when separated parents vie with each other to be 'the nice one' or have different rules in each home. Also when one or other parent feels guilty about divorce and turns into a pushover, or feels lonely after divorce and turns a child into a bestie.

@DoWhatYouWantToAndShh, why have you determinedly followed both threads if you're so disapproving of them? Odd behaviour.

@MsTSwift
Whilst you sat there and smiled smugly and indulgently at your extremely precocious rude 8 year old. Toddler shoving ? I have never heard of an 8 year old being referred to as a toddler before.

@DoWhatYouWantToAndShh

No. You were watching horrid Henry

Well, it was actually very nice of OP to sit there watching Horrid Henry to humour Alyssa for most evenings of her holiday.

Anyway. We laughed. We cryed. We stayed up all night awaiting the finale.
It didn't disappoint as I predicted.
Op rises victorious.

To think this is someone's actual life.

This is all so sad.

Based on your account OP, neither your friend nor her DD seem neurotypical. Is your friend having a mental breakdown? Her behaviour is so strange.

I also find it sad that this situation is being played out over the Internet for entertainment.

HailAdrian - you are a breath of fresh air. Critical thinking is an important life skill and one I try to teach my kids (just to jump on the smuggary bandwagon). I'm totally crap at bedtimes though.

@DoWhatYouWantToAndShh

Anyway. We laughed. We cryed. We stayed up all night awaiting the finale. It didn't disappoint as I predicted. Op rises victorious.

To think this is someone's actual life.

your obsession is real

@SausageRollFan

It's not quite true that the other child is behaving differently with the same parenting. The five year old threw a tantrum about breakfast (or possibly lunch). There are problems in the bud awaiting nipping that won't happen.

Also, the sleep arrangement isn't working if the 8 yo is complaining about normal morning activities such as getting up and dressed and out of the hotel at a reasonable time. This is a tired child.

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Please may I come on next years holiday? I promise my kids aren’t dicks and know how to behave 😂

Just finished all the updates 👀 That bullshit would definitely end this friendship, I had a holiday saga and the friendship didn’t last 6 months after, people are so fuckin weird with their brat kids.

Also found it quite interesting that with everyone that has spoken about their experiences with their friend’s horrible kids it’s always girl kids. Even the 3 month hen do baby 😂 what’s that all about?

Can I come as well?