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To not want an awake child around at 11pm when I'm on holiday

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FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 25/08/2021 23:42

NC'd for this.

On holiday in a cottage with a friend and we each have 2 kids - mine are 5 & 9 and hers are 5 & 8. I haven't seen this friend in ages as I moved away from my town a few years ago, then COVID happened so this was a great chance to catch up and ours kids are all get on very well. We said loads beforehand that we couldn't wait to talk about what's going in our lives - her with a new job and home, me in a new relationship etc. We stocked up on wine for the holiday as we said we would put the kids to bed and wile away the hours on our balcony (we've been away before and this is something of a tradition). We also wanted to catch up on the same TV show we are watching and watch new episodes together as we don't know anyone else who watches this show.

When we got here we decided 8.30 was a reasonable bedtime for the kids, and my 2 and her youngest have gone down no problem every night after busy days. But We've been here 4 nights and every single night her 8yo refuses to sleep so she brings her downstairs to spend the night with us. Meaning the dynamic COMPLETELY changes, rather than playing poker like we usually do, we have to play Dobble. And instead of watching our TV show (which wouldn't be appropriate with an 8yo around), my friend puts Horrid Henry on.

The talk is PG - no catching up the way we wanted has been done - and, at the risk of sounding nasty, her 8yo has turned into quite an obnoxious little thing. I've spent the last 4 evenings hearing from the 8yo herself about how amazing she is in school, better than all the other kids and she is 'top of the class' (I am a teacher, there is no such thing), how Isabella is rubbish at swimming and she could swim better than her when she was only 4, how she drew a better picture today than my DD, how everyone wants to be her friends and she only picks the most popular girls to be friends with and not the others etc. She also says pretty rude things like "Why do you eat your toast whole, that's a stupid way to eat it, you should cut it up". I do tell her not to be so rude and comment on what people eat.

My friend just gazes at her starry eyed, says nothing when she's rude and makes an extremely feeble effort to put her to bed. It usually starts with her tucking her in at8.30, then at about 9 her DD comes down saying she can't sleep then she takes her back upstairs, before coming back down saying like "oh dear, Alyssa wants to stay up with us, I said that's fine for a few minutes". Then at 11pm they both go up together.

AIBU to be annoyed that I'm spending my holidays nights playing a children's game, the conversation centring around how amazing a rude 8yo is and watching cartoons. It's 11.30pm now, I'm alone downstairs nursing the rest of the wine and feeling a bit sorry for myself!

To make matters worse, my friend said tonight in front of her DD "Alyssa says everyone woke her up this morning making noise so in the morning if she's still asleep everyone will have to be extra quiet". Alyssa was still in bed today at 9.30am!! My kids, us adults and my friend's youngest, are up at 7am. I'm not tiptoeing around just because she can't put her DD to bed on time! I did say well if you went to bed when your mummy told you you would be up at the same time as everyone else.

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JesusIsAnyNameFree · 26/08/2021 22:10

@DoWhatYouWantToAndShh

To be fair. Having a child that refuses bed and ruins evenings is really crap. I'm sure she's not enjoying it.

But... not all kids can just be put to bed and they go to sleep. My eldest until 3 was horrific. Would howl. No amount of stern talk, threats, punishments, etc worked. It was awful. Especially when people would say just close the door and leave him.
I was stuck like a fool settling them. Very annoying.

This kid is 8 though. You can tell an 8 year old to get in bed and remain there until the morning.
1AngelicFruitCake · 26/08/2021 22:11

@WimpoleHat

And if being quiet in the morning is mentioned I would give a hearty laugh and say “Alyssa should have gone to bed earlier then!”

Too right. Definitely time for some early morning hilarity in the morning for the OP and her DD….

I’d be making lots of noise tomorrow if I were you!
oknowimscared · 26/08/2021 22:11

I ONCE went on holiday with gentle parented DNs. Every evening was consumed by bedtime - one parent staying with each child until they went to sleep. While I sat alone downstairs like a lemon, hoping the much promised adult evening would happen. It never did.

BuckarooWithBruceGrobelaar · 26/08/2021 22:11

Aww, you were never going to get your night OP because the kid is in charge. She was always going to kick off before bed and the Uno just provided an excuse. I think I'd be going home early tbh and never going away with her again

DroopyClematis · 26/08/2021 22:12

Mum is clearly embarrassed that you haven't had any adult time and that you've mentioned it.

I'd head off to bed with surplus wine if I were you to further rub in that , upstairs or downstairs, Alyssa rules.

Embarrassing.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 26/08/2021 22:13

FFS this so shit DD has come back though to say she can't sleep because DS "is breathing" 🙄

Let's just say, I used my teacher voice.

I'm going to bed. I'm taking the wine and the iPad with me.

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WimpoleHat · 26/08/2021 22:13

Can you take your kids out for breakfast or something in the morning? “Oh sorry - but I knew Alyssa went to bed so late and we didn’t want to disturb her. Shame - as we had such fun at x…”

Luckymummytoone · 26/08/2021 22:13

How have you kept your cool with her 🙈

DoWhatYouWantToAndShh · 26/08/2021 22:14

@lalafafa

I've got 3. They rejoice at adult gatherings, one especially delights in showing everyone his Minecraft worlds. Ah the square chickens and pigs. Glorious

You're kidding yourself, every adult is thinking fuck off you little fuckers.
Its the equivalent of a tedious show they've been creating for an hour then force you to watch.

Unbelievable to think. Everyone loves diamond armour. Educate yourself
Flowerpower23 · 26/08/2021 22:14

Bloody hell imagine going on holiday and your so called friend continuously insinuating what a crap mum they think you are and then getting annoyed and impatient when you try to toughen up... I can see why you’re frustrated but give the gal a break, sounds like she’s got enough on her plate with that one

liveforsummer · 26/08/2021 22:15

I think at this stage I'm now just jealous of a life where dc are expected in bed before 9 on holiday. We all have school/work tomorrow and I'm trying my best to ignore dd8's daft questions. We only got home just over half an hour ago from collecting her sister from guides. Sounds like the Alyssa free evenings are a pipe dream though!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 26/08/2021 22:15

@SeoultoSeoul

I think I'd disappear to my bedroom with the whole bottle of wine and my phone. Anything to avoid playing Dobble with a split 8 year old. They say you dont know people until you have holidayed with them
I was going to suggest the same.

I'd just say - "Sorry - I've had enough "kid time" for the day and want adult company only even if it's just my own".

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 26/08/2021 22:15

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

FFS this so shit DD has come back though to say she can't sleep because DS "is breathing" 🙄

Let's just say, I used my teacher voice.

I'm going to bed. I'm taking the wine and the iPad with me.

😂 your daughter.
BeckyWithTheGoodHair5629456 · 26/08/2021 22:15

Oh god OP I think I'd cut this holiday short and have done with it!

PamDenick · 26/08/2021 22:16

Her names not actually Alyssa is it? I’d so, delete!!

Also, as I said, haven’t read the full thread but has Alyssa been through some sort of trauma recently? Lost her dad or something to explain her clingy ness...

RosiePosieDozy · 26/08/2021 22:16

Hoping the night's gone well OP.

I know when I was nine, I would never have dreamed of being so rude. I did used to nip downstairs sometimes but would go back up and stay up when I'd had a quick chat.

Don't blame you wanting evenings with your friend.

Immunetypegoblin · 26/08/2021 22:17

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

FFS this so shit DD has come back though to say she can't sleep because DS "is breathing" 🙄

Let's just say, I used my teacher voice.

I'm going to bed. I'm taking the wine and the iPad with me.

Is she taking a leaf out of Alyssa's book or something?!
CherieBabySpliffUp · 26/08/2021 22:18

It sounds like Alyssa has won as she's got mum's undivided attention upstairs 🤦‍♀️

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 26/08/2021 22:19

@PamDenick no not really called Alyssa! And no trauma that I'm aware of (her parents split about 3 ish years ago)

I have done something very passive aggressive and now feeling a bit silly. I left my friend's full wine glass on the coffee table on its own to be found in the morning

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Evergibbon · 26/08/2021 22:19

I'd be taking mine back up to bed and saying loudly outside their door "quiet time now. You're waking the whole house FGS"

OverByYer · 26/08/2021 22:19

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

FFS this so shit DD has come back though to say she can't sleep because DS "is breathing" 🙄

Let's just say, I used my teacher voice.

I'm going to bed. I'm taking the wine and the iPad with me.

Don’t blame you . Your friend is a big flake
TolkiensFallow · 26/08/2021 22:20

Nah that’s fine OP.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 26/08/2021 22:20

@Immunetypegoblin I know, I wasn't impressed at all, I said do you expect me to suffocate him just so you can sleep?!
The scary thing is I think she had to think about that answer Grin

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Jamdown123 · 26/08/2021 22:21

Good lord, I'd actually never heard of Gentle Parenting until this thread.

Is this an actual thing?

I've always wanted to be one of those. 'sweety' this and 'sweety' that when they're crayoning on the wall or whatever. But It's just not in me. Think gentle parents are born, not created. they are a species unto their own. Great to watch and marvel, like in a zoo....

MoltenLasagne · 26/08/2021 22:22

Tbf there are times when I want to suffocate DP for "breathing" when he's fast asleep and I'm wide awake still so I understand her hesitation...