To be seriously disappointed that the women on Mumsnet are not talking about What is happening to women in Afghanistan, right now?

[Quarks69]

Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

My daughter was born just as we entered Afghanistan and removed the Taliban. she is now 20 at uni and loving life (despite COVID).Her peers in Afghanistan as of yesterday were doing the same. Herat Uni has over 50% women studying in it.

As of today they have been told to go home, cover up, hand in their car keys and wait,,....for what? To be forced into marriage and forget their dreams?

I can’t help imagining how my daughter would feel..what could you say as a mother?it is heart breaking.

@Megameg56

Totally agree with you.Mumsnet is full bored women,sharing their boring lives!

And yet here you are. Thank you for your own exciting contribution,

OP. Your post is virtual signalling at its finest

@FuckeryOmbudsman

How can you not understand just how vital it is for women and girls to NAME sex based oppression? You can't be this stupid. No one can be this stupid

That's really insulting to other posters.

And you have missed out how the Taliban achieved a sex based society by executing the trans community. Is that reallymwhat you want tomally yourself with in any shape or form?

Am fairly sure the trans community in Afghanistan would be fairly limited anyway- as if anyone would voluntarily identify into the horrors those women and girls face simply by dint of their sex.

@Megameg56

Totally agree with you.Mumsnet is full bored women,sharing their boring lives!

And yet here you are

@Megameg56

Totally agree with you.Mumsnet is full bored women,sharing their boring lives!

Erm, you do know YOU are on MN, right 😆

@Megameg56

Totally agree with you.Mumsnet is full bored women,sharing their boring lives!

Hello bored person sharing your boring opinion. So, tell me, what brings you here? An addiction to boredom?

Am fairly sure the trans community in Afghanistan would be fairly limited anyway- as if anyone would voluntarily identify into the horrors those women and girls face simply by dint of their sex

They are indeed very far underground, but are more able to both act and speak out once securely resettled

I am perfectly sure that there will be trans people in Afghanistan, I believe in the reality of gender dysmorphia.

However it is possible for trans people to hide their dysmorphia, although it may come a high mental health price.

It isn't possible for biological woman to hide their biology. Their oppression is based on their biology and they can't change that.

Sex isn't an irrelevance it is the basis for oppressing half the population.

@paddlingon great post - you've absolutely hit the nail on the head. Women cannot go 'underground' to escape notice and can't identify out of their oppression.

So now women can't even express discontent or sorrow about their female counterparts being raped and tortured en masse just by virtue of being female without misogynists dictating that this is not allowed and is 'insulting'. It's bizarre that these trans activists are at pains to repeat trans women are women ad infinitum yet always have so little empathy and time for women and the struggles that they face.

@FuckeryOmbudsman

Am fairly sure the trans community in Afghanistan would be fairly limited anyway- as if anyone would voluntarily identify into the horrors those women and girls face simply by dint of their sex

They are indeed very far underground, but are more able to both act and speak out once securely resettled

Of all of the tragedies that are occurring in Afghanistan right now, all of the monstrous and inhumane and inconceivable acts that are being carried out... what compels you to focus solely on trans rights in your posts on the subject?

@acolderwar

Read the whole thread, @FuckeryOmbudsman is responding to comments made.

I think you will find its was @OverTheRubicon who started the gender conversation
with this comment
"Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face."

on page 6 incase you are using the app Tue 17-Aug-21 07:50:22 was the time of the comment and up till then nothing had been said regarding gender/sex

I have read the whole thread and responded to overtherubicon's comments at the time they were made. And now I am responding to these comments. But thanks anyway.

Some of us do actually talk to real people, face to face

what compels you to focus solely on trans rights in your posts on the subject?

Responding to comments already made. The very normal see something and comment on it.

It's not a compulsion not by any stretch. And I dislike the implications in the question, which seems to ignore the majority of my posts over the years I have been here.

I'll stay focusing on women and girls in Afghanistan, thanks.

@Quarks69

Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

My daughter was born just as we entered Afghanistan and removed the Taliban. she is now 20 at uni and loving life (despite COVID).Her peers in Afghanistan as of yesterday were doing the same. Herat Uni has over 50% women studying in it.

As of today they have been told to go home, cover up, hand in their car keys and wait,,....for what? To be forced into marriage and forget their dreams?

I can’t help imagining how my daughter would feel..what could you say as a mother?it is heart breaking.

Seriously, look around you at the day to day existence of women in any country. I am not trivialising a regime that subjugates any of its population, but take a look at the rest of the world. Then take a look at social media across the world. Many forums are full of crap topics, even when there is terror, pain, sadness and torture . Genocide is happening on a daily basis, people are starving to death, are homeless, are powerless, and yet people still bitch about wanting to move to ensure children are in the 'right' schools, and they blame the world for not having a girlfriend, and post pointless threads on social media. That's human nature for you -

Why did you feel the need to post this overtherubicon?? There is a long post on the feminist board detailing ways we can try to help the women and children of Afghanistan. Why come on here just to bash women whose views are not agreeable to you?

I didn't come on to bash anyone. I think there's a valid debate to be had about gender identity and it's great that there are people having it, but I've been frustrated that in recent times that's been practically the only debate being had around feminism on these boards. It's become really extreme (like @Artesia saying that to call it gender-based violence in Afghanistan means that women could just 'define their way out of it', as if that would in any way be possible even if desired), and debate about Laurel Hubbard crowds out issues like the plight of women in war torn countries, or that a large percentage of women worldwide don't have access to the right sanitation to allow them to be safe during their periods, or to birth control.

I find it more frustrating than posts on the Style and Beauty board, because at least there, people aren't suggesting that they are talking about feminism, or that mascara is the absolute leading issue for women today. That's why I posted what I did, and the fact that even stating a view that the feminism boards recently have been skewed to gender identity discussions Vs everything else leads people to call me a 'trans activist' just reinforces how extreme the debate has become on here.

@OverTheRubicon

Why did you feel the need to post this overtherubicon?? There is a long post on the feminist board detailing ways we can try to help the women and children of Afghanistan. Why come on here just to bash women whose views are not agreeable to you?

I didn't come on to bash anyone. I think there's a valid debate to be had about gender identity and it's great that there are people having it, but I've been frustrated that in recent times that's been practically the only debate being had around feminism on these boards. It's become really extreme (like @Artesia saying that to call it gender-based violence in Afghanistan means that women could just 'define their way out of it', as if that would in any way be possible even if desired), and debate about Laurel Hubbard crowds out issues like the plight of women in war torn countries, or that a large percentage of women worldwide don't have access to the right sanitation to allow them to be safe during their periods, or to birth control.

I find it more frustrating than posts on the Style and Beauty board, because at least there, people aren't suggesting that they are talking about feminism, or that mascara is the absolute leading issue for women today. That's why I posted what I did, and the fact that even stating a view that the feminism boards recently have been skewed to gender identity discussions Vs everything else leads people to call me a 'trans activist' just reinforces how extreme the debate has become on here.

The women can't just 'define their way out of it' - well, quite. Gender fluidity largely seems to benefit relatively privileged natal men who can define their way roughshod into women's spaces, sports, and stripping away of women's identity. If only women could make it work to their benefit too for the things that really count. But as they're women, they can't.

So what are you suggesting, that women should just shut up about women's rights in respect of the trans debate? 'Women, you've had your say, now pipe down and sit down', and allow TRA's to continue to spew propaganda unchallenged? And allow the problem to fester and grow? Can you not make the link with it being discussed so much (on its very own board) because it's an issue women are challenged by increasingly often?

There's been a separate gender board for months now so its a bit rich to go to the gender discussion board and complain all the posts are about gender.

And it was perfectly acceptable for women to talk about sports and the Olympics, during the Olympics. People post about current events. If you want to talk about something else start a thread.

@Quarks69 WTF are you on about? There's loads of threads about it. Have you actually bothered looking?

OvertheRubicon, feminists HAVE to talk about the whole gender crap because we know that women have historically been exploited and abused in the basis of SEX. This is the very basics of feminism. If sex is simply waived away, women will have no rights and no way to stop our sex based oppression. Every right that women and girls have today is based on the fact that we are adult human females. Once that goes, so do our rights and any recourse we have to stop discrimination.

Do you not think we would rather be focusing our energies on other things, like the female victims of sex trafficking, pornography, FGM, child brides, instead of deeply wicked men who wear women like a fucking costume and who see our oppression as a fetish and a performance? Take it up with these men because women, as always, asked for none of this.

You're late! There have been lots of threads. People are devastated and wondering how they can help, but got there before you.

@Megameg56

Totally agree with you.Mumsnet is full bored women,sharing their boring lives!

Your pointless comment has added nothing to the discussion, so who's the bored one?

I'm sorry everyone, but how much do people really know about life in Afghanistan?

I'm not arguing in favour of the bhurka or the Taliban, but rather that I don't trust Mainstream Media to give me a true picture about anything anymore, let alone a country on the other side of the world.

I live in Mexico and have seen how Mexico is reported by the BBC, the Guardian and the Economist and generally the reporting is very selective. A few years ago there was a three million strong demonstration in Mexico City that went unreported, while a hundred people protesting in Teheran was all over the news.