To be seriously disappointed that the women on Mumsnet are not talking about What is happening to women in Afghanistan, right now?

[Quarks69]

Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

My daughter was born just as we entered Afghanistan and removed the Taliban. she is now 20 at uni and loving life (despite COVID).Her peers in Afghanistan as of yesterday were doing the same. Herat Uni has over 50% women studying in it.

As of today they have been told to go home, cover up, hand in their car keys and wait,,....for what? To be forced into marriage and forget their dreams?

I can’t help imagining how my daughter would feel..what could you say as a mother?it is heart breaking.

Clearly you're the only person who cares. Well done you.

Or you just didn't bother to look and see the threads already there, I suggest next time you do a quick search.

This won't be all people are talking about, people will want to continue to post other threads and why shouldn't they? What is happening is awful, but people can still be thankful for the life they have and talk about things affecting them.

@Mandalay246

YABU - there have been several threads already on this subject.

Even if there hadn't been - I am at a loss to understand how a bunch of posters on MN discussing the subject can actually help

Competitive caring. Same like competitive grieving.

There is a thread with links to charities, which is really good. Better than just lamenting about being the only one thinking about them..

Very disappointing thread

Clearly all the threads already running are invisible/unimportant, and the hundreds of posts were just a waste of time

Eh? You've already been told there's loads of threads on it.
I haven't commented on any thread. It's news, it's bad, but I don't really have any comments.

I am at a loss to understand how a bunch of posters on MN discussing the subject can actually help

The thread which collated which NGOs were still active (and hoping to stay) and reminding that the existing refugee camps in neighbouring countries still need support (it's not just the newly displaced who deserved help) - that thread might actually have been some help.

But it wasn't in AIBU, and it wasn't sneering at their MNetters, so may as well have been invisible

Condescending OP klaxon well and truly activated.

It may have already been linked but the below thread (started some time before this one) includes some ideas of what could be done in practical terms to support - towards the end of the thread there's a collation of all suggested charities:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4324025-AIBU-to-ask-how-to-help-women-and-girls-in-Afghanistan?pg=2

Imagine being so obtuse that you have no input whatsoever into the several long threads about the tragedies in Afghanistan and the lead up to the Taliban taking over, THEN castigate every single user of Mumsnet for not caring as much as you (a person who has not been involved in a single one of these existing threads, remember), THEN be firmly put in your place by many posters explaining that there has already been lots of very thoughtful discussions about the subject, and STILL come back with a response suggesting that nobody else cares as much as you and that everyone else is disappointing.

Imagine being so self-absorbed and narcissistic (sorry, overused but fitting) that you think it's ok to make the deaths and torture and rapes and oppression of a huge group of humans into a dick waving contest to signal that you are better than the women around you.

Disappointed that you haven't contributed to the serious threads about this subject OP and look forward to hearing your insight.

You are not "virtue signalling" you can just see the massive discrepancy between our reality here and the horrendous realities of other women, and that is hard to parse atm.

started a thread asking Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls? when there are lots of threads discussing those poor girls as is literally the definition of virtue signalling. It's all about the OPs feelings.

@acolderwar exactly how can you make it about yourself?! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

If you care about this issue, then why don't you start a thread on it? Why do you expect others to do so? Who made you the manager of women?

There have been threads about it already. It is possible to be both interested in foreign politics and less serious stuff at the same time

@Quarks69

Ah well if there was a delete button for a thread I would hit it.😳...but I still find it strange that this huge event doesn’t put some of our rather lesser Mumsnet gripes into perspective, and to see pages of the usual ...To maybe be a bit more thankful for living in this country at this time.🤷🏻‍♀️

Give you’re head a wobble OP or even better remove it from your sanctimonious arse

@OverTheRubicon

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

Don't be so thick. There are 3 threads about the subject just within in the top 5 discussions on the feminism topic. One entitled 'is there anything we can do to help Afghan women'.

@OverTheRubicon

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

And yet the same posters who 'agonise over pronouns' are posting frequently all over threads about what is happening in Afghanistan and asking what can be done to help their women and girls.

There are too many faux feminists clutching their pearls about pronouns sadly.

@OverTheRubicon

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

🙌 This

@happydays2345

There are too many faux feminists clutching their pearls about pronouns sadly.

At least you've found another opportunity to show us all your misogyny @happydays2345

Clutching pearls

@OverTheRubicon

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

So feminists can't worry about Afghan women and also worry about how women's rights here are being trampled on? Is there a rule to say you can't care about both?

Yeah, here comes @happydays2345 to attempt to derail the plight of the Afghan people to instead discuss trans activism. Disgraceful. Absolute shame on you, @happydays2345

There are too many faux feminists clutching their pearls about pronouns sadly.

I don't even understand this point. You're criticising other women for not caring enough about an issue that is important to you? How does that help the Afghan women?

So feminists can't worry about Afghan women and also worry about how women's rights here are being trampled on? Is there a rule to say you can't care about both

I think some posters honestly struggle to think of/worry about more than one thing at a time

There have been some excellent posts on this subject with practical ways that people in the uk can ‘help’

@acolderwar

Yeah, here comes *@happydays2345* to attempt to derail the plight of the Afghan people to instead discuss trans activism. Disgraceful. Absolute shame on you, *@happydays2345*

I agree. Disgusting hijack.

The attitude that we shouldn't care about issues that affect women in the western world that seem minor in comparison to the plight of women in developing or conflict-affected states is exactly why in the western world we are going backwards on women's rights- it's getting to the stage where we cannot name our biological sex and call ourselves 'women', we're 'pregnant people'. Women's sport now includes men. Just because things are better here than they were 100 years ago, that's not good enough and it never was good enough.

That doesn't mean we don't acknowledge or care about how disgraceful and terrifying the situation is for women in other parts of the world- how they are facing life and death situations on a daily basis. Hence the threads asking what can be done to help. And the multiple threads on Afghanistan, which the OP would have found if she were genuinely interested and not just virtue signalling. It's possible to care about all women and not just one set of issues and we should never be shamed for standing up for our rights on the issues that affect us here.