To be seriously disappointed that the women on Mumsnet are not talking about What is happening to women in Afghanistan, right now?

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Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

My daughter was born just as we entered Afghanistan and removed the Taliban. she is now 20 at uni and loving life (despite COVID).Her peers in Afghanistan as of yesterday were doing the same. Herat Uni has over 50% women studying in it.

As of today they have been told to go home, cover up, hand in their car keys and wait,,....for what? To be forced into marriage and forget their dreams?

I can’t help imagining how my daughter would feel..what could you say as a mother?it is heart breaking.

I have been reading threads about it too.
But i find it distressing, I can’t believe the world were living in. I saw a video of a young girl in Afghanistan sobbing in fear and i cried.
The world feels very scary to live in right now.

There are loads of threads, so YABU.

I'm talking about it a lot but in real life (which I generally come onto MN to escape).

Well that's the OP 'told'

She's well and truly had her arse handed to her on a plate!

@OverTheRubicon

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

“Gender based threat”? Well bloody marvellous- you’ve solved it. They can just identify out of their situation.

The threat is entirely based on their SEX. They are being raped and enslaved because they are girls and women. And you might scoff at the women of the feminism boards “agonising over pronouns”, but if we lose the ability to identify or define girls and women by their sex, it is another hurdle in the way of trying to deal with the systemic abuse the women of Afghanistan and millions of other women around the world face.

@Artesia - you've just expressed what I wanted to say, exactly.
It depresses me that there's feminist bashing on here.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

So feminists can't worry about Afghan women and also worry about how women's rights here are being trampled on? Is there a rule to say you can't care about both

I think some posters honestly struggle to think of/worry about more than one thing at a time

There have been some excellent posts on this subject with practical ways that people in the uk can ‘help’

I think you are completely right!

@Artesia well said, much more articulate than me!

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind - was about to say exactly same to you!

There are threads. I’ve just come to this thread after emailing my mp following links and advice on another thread.

Yes, great points, @StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Why is nobody talking about it, you awful awful people

Erm, well, actually - there are loads. Here are some examples...

Oh. Well you're still awful. How can you talk about anything else as well?

@OverTheRubicon

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

Why did you feel the need to post this overtherubicon?? There is a long post on the feminist board detailing ways we can try to help the women and children of Afghanistan. Why come on here just to bash women whose views are not agreeable to you?

You and OP should go and sit in a room together and plan other ways you can use the plight of the women and children of Afghanistan to demonstrate how above the rest of us you are. As another poster put it: catch yourself on.

It is mad that some people cannot see that the continuum of misogyny can include telling women and girls to shut the fuck up about their sex based material reality on one end and also subjecting women and girls to endure the particular horrors of the sex based material violence on the other.

But then some people are as thick as pig shit.

@FourTeaFallOut
In a nutshell

@FourTeaFallOut

It is mad that some people cannot see that the continuum of misogyny can include telling women and girls to shut the fuck up about their sex based material reality on one end and also subjecting women and girls to endure the particular horrors of the sex based material violence on the other.

But then some people are as thick as pig shit.

This a thousand times over. Stopping women meeting or speaking freely is the thin end of the wedge. Watching the horrors in Afghanistan left me feeling hopeless and useless. But then it reminded me how privileged I am to have an education and a voice, and I intend to use it loudly on behalf of those who can't- both here and around the world.

It might feel small, but maybe that's one thing we can do for the girls and women over there- keep standing up and shouting out, on behalf of them and women the world over.

You can both be saddened and feel empathetic towards what is going elsewhere as well as carrying on with things, it isn't an indicator of whether you care or not. There are also active threads on it, and the reality is that talking about it won't help on its own.

What would you like people to do?

@FourTeaFallOut

It is mad that some people cannot see that the continuum of misogyny can include telling women and girls to shut the fuck up about their sex based material reality on one end and also subjecting women and girls to endure the particular horrors of the sex based material violence on the other.

But then some people are as thick as pig shit.

absolutely deserves a quote - very well said.

Coming on to tell women they're reacting incorrectly and worrying about the wrong things.

Who's going to them that they're actually part of the problem themselves?

@HotelRoomforOne

Castigating the OP for not doing "a quick search" is just ridiculous. Come on people, what is the point of your nastiness, exactly?

You can't come on and whine at people and tell them they don't care about women in Afghanistan based PURELY on the lack of threads....after not actually having looked to see if any threads were created!

The OP has very much deserves the arse she's been handed on a plate

Op few are as empathetic as you are

Well done you for being so upset

Everyone is horrified and frightened for those women and girls but threads on mumsnet arent going to persuade the Taliban to give them a better life.

What should we do OP?

If we take in a few girls from the country that won’t fix it for those that remain behind and there will be more girls born that will grow up in that regime.

I'm not a mother so you probably don't care about my opinion.....but you're getting it anyway. Instead of wringing my hands on MN about a situation I can do nothing about, I am writing to my MP, to the Foreign Secretary and anyone I can think of to ensure safe passage for refugees.
What have you done op? Virtue signalling on MN doesn't count.

There have been loads of threads.

And just because some people haven't posted doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it ir talking about it elsewhere. I wouldn't have the first clue what to say tbh everyone's alot smarter and articulate in this matter that I am and everything that can be said has been really.

And no, we won't stop talking about other things either just because someone else somewhere else has it worse. Because that is entirely how u get there. And there is too bloody late to start doing something.

My thoughts are indeed with the women and girls in Afghanistan , my mp just ignores me so there's no point there but I will be donating where I can.

Thanks you for your posts, @StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind, @Artesia sand @FourTeaFallOut. They make really important points very lucidly.