To be seriously disappointed that the women on Mumsnet are not talking about What is happening to women in Afghanistan, right now?

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Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

My daughter was born just as we entered Afghanistan and removed the Taliban. she is now 20 at uni and loving life (despite COVID).Her peers in Afghanistan as of yesterday were doing the same. Herat Uni has over 50% women studying in it.

As of today they have been told to go home, cover up, hand in their car keys and wait,,....for what? To be forced into marriage and forget their dreams?

I can’t help imagining how my daughter would feel..what could you say as a mother?it is heart breaking.

News flash: women are being women wrong - fetch the ducking stools.

I believe the PM was in holiday when it all kicked off. Vile creature.

Its devastating. I started a thread and was accused of being drunk and luring?????

Yeah im not posting about it because im actually watching it on the news 🙄

As a rule of thumb posters who say "Am I the only one who..." are invariably never the only ones

Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

There have been quite a number of threads on it.

What is your contribution to Afghan women and girls apart from this thread to tell us how much you care?

women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

It really isn't a gender based threat.
It is a sex based threat.
It isn't possible for these woman to identify their way out of the situation they find themselves in.
The consequences for them of trying to do so would be severe.

Far from showing me what a waste of time being concerned with sex based issues in the UK is Afghanistan highlights the importance of being clear about material reality.

Whilst also looking to provide services for those who need gender identity support.

I'm finding the many threads about this on Mumsnet one of the best places to find out about what's going on, particularly in respect to women and girls. I've read many links posted by other posters (particularly on the Feminism boards) which give personal accounts by women in Afghanistan now. The newspapers tend to focus on the political and military aspects of this situation so the links here have been invaluable to better understand how this is impacting women and how the Taliban will destroy their sex based rights, in addition
to women's utter terror about the horrors they may experience due to being women.

Some of us live in towns where there are recently arrived refugees from Afghanistan, with more expected, and we are doing our best to help them.

What are you actually doing OP?

@WorraLiberty

Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

How on earth do you have the brass fucking neck to turn what's happening to those poor women and girls in Afghanistan, into something all about you??

Catch yourself on. Your post is disgusting.

Agreed!

As for the petty posts you so dislike op, can you imagine that some of us live under very difficult circumstances. Those frivolous posts and threads act as a bit of light relief.

There are always terrible things going on somewhere. Virtue signalling on social media is nearly always about the topic du jour.
It is absolutely terrible what is happening in Afghanistan, and there are dreadful things going on in many other places.
We have child brides, FGM, the humanitarian crisis in Syria, poverty in developing countries getting worse due to covid, people in the UK losing their livelihoods and homes.
None of that has stopped, and many many people (some mumsnetters including) are on the front lines trying to make the world a better place.
Some of us are carers, or involved in local, national or international projects.
No one individual has the capacity to do it all.
Many of us come here for a little light relief.

Personally, I have learned more about the political situation in Afghanistan etc in the last few days than ever before, and most of that has been from following links to articles and books referenced on these threads.

@Waitwhat23

I'm finding the many threads about this on Mumsnet one of the best places to find out about what's going on, particularly in respect to women and girls. I've read many links posted by other posters (particularly on the Feminism boards) which give personal accounts by women in Afghanistan now. The newspapers tend to focus on the political and military aspects of this situation so the links here have been invaluable to better understand how this is impacting women and how the Taliban will destroy their sex based rights, in addition to women's utter terror about the horrors they may experience due to being women.

Cross posted, but exactly my point too!

YABU.

There are several threads on this and have been over the last several days.

Also, YABU to come onto MN and complain about "the women of MumsNet". "Women" is totally irrelevant; you don't know the sex of anyone here. And you always have the opportunity to start your own thread if something isn't being discussed. (How about what's happening in Haiti, right the fuck now, just for example? Or Nigeria?)

Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls? Yes, you're the very very special only one in the entire world thinking about them - all the other threads here and the reports in the media and posts on SM from people IN Kabul and people trying to get out of Kabul and people trying to get their friends and family out and etc - yeah, they're somehow posting about the issue without thinking about the issue. You're tremendously special and no one else cares.

So what is absolutely very special and unique you doing about it, and what do you advise that all the "women" (people) on MN who are talking about it without caring about it shoud do?

(FFS).

@Witchwithacat

I’ve seen some on Mumsnet. It is so sad, I have been thinking about it a lot today. My husband has been deployed twice to Afghanistan, he worked with many Afghan civilians, who were very noble people, they felt secure with our presence and now they no longer have that. I think the sheer desperation of the Afghans trying to jump on the American planes tells us how much they fear this. To me, this isn’t just an attack on them, it is an attack on us all. We must all be in this together. To abandon them now, would be catastrophic, we fought for so much during those 20 years and women finally found their voices.

I saw this thread and then carried on reading in absolute astonishment that someone could behave so shamefully OP.

But I just wanted to say thank you to your husband @Witchwithacat for his service, I'm only deeply sorry that what he and his fellow servicemen and women's efforts have ended like this. And of course for those who did not make it home.

It's heartbreaking for everyone who's lives have just been torn out from underneath them, there's just nothing that can be said to express how bad what's happening is.

I don' tknow if this counts as virtue signalling, I suppose it will somehow.
I have spent much of the last 10 years volunteering with asylum seekers/refugees in Manchester.
People have very little comprehension about the lack of any joined up thinking or infrasturture to help this group of people. Nor do they comprehend the realility of existing on £40.00 a week on a rat infested mattress. Or waiting 18 years to be granted status and 2 weeks to 'bid for a council house'
I cannot begin to tell you how seriously the system is broken.
Then Covid.
Then Afghanistan.

@sadperson16

I don' tknow if this counts as virtue signalling, I suppose it will somehow. I have spent much of the last 10 years volunteering with asylum seekers/refugees in Manchester. People have very little comprehension about the lack of any joined up thinking or infrasturture to help this group of people. Nor do they comprehend the realility of existing on £40.00 a week on a rat infested mattress. Or waiting 18 years to be granted status and 2 weeks to 'bid for a council house' I cannot begin to tell you how seriously the system is broken. Then Covid. Then Afghanistan.

You're doing something, not just being a bleeding heart on Facebook, so no, not virtue signalling the way I see it.

Having just spent 30 minutes reading threads on Afghanistan YABU, OP.

@OverTheRubicon

Yanbu. But most of the feminists of Mumsnet spend far more time agonising over pronouns on work emails than over an entire nation of women who could pretty much all claim refugee status based on the gender-based threat they face.

How the fuck can anyone see the misery and terror being wrought on women and girls for being WOMEN AND GIRLS, and not see the absolute importance of sex-based rights? How can you not understand just how vital it is for women and girls to NAME sex based oppression? You can't be this stupid. No one can be this stupid.

How can you not understand just how vital it is for women and girls to NAME sex based oppression? You can't be this stupid. No one can be this stupid

That's really insulting to other posters.

And you have missed out how the Taliban achieved a sex based society by executing the trans community. Is that reallymwhat you want tomally yourself with in any shape or form?

To the trans activists trying to hijack a thread about women in Afghanistan into a thread about trans rights & having a go at feminists;

You have made yourselves look absolutely despicable.

@FuckeryOmbudsman

How can you not understand just how vital it is for women and girls to NAME sex based oppression? You can't be this stupid. No one can be this stupid

That's really insulting to other posters.

And you have missed out how the Taliban achieved a sex based society by executing the trans community. Is that reallymwhat you want tomally yourself with in any shape or form?

They achieved an oppressive sex based society by knowing exactly the SEX they wanted to oppress. You have just proven why it is very important we name sex based oppression for what it is and how muddying waters helps no one. In fact, you diminish the suffering of women and girls.

No one can be this stupid

Apparently they can be…

What do you want us to say? Talking about it isn’t going to help the women In Afghanistan. People can donate and help charities to help them, and perhaps some women have done so.

Empty virtue signaling is useless and that’s the problem today. Everyone virtue signals and does no actual real work to help or do anything meaningful about causes you claim you support.

Donate to charity and volunteer. Empty words and virtue signaling is old.

Our grandparents donated to charity and did good works to help without the need to self flagellate and show off their deeds to make themselves feel good. People won’t even volunteer in their local communities, but will post on social media and go to sleep feeling like they did something for the world.

Give it a rest. And search for some local volunteer opportunities in your local area and donate to a charity that is helping Afghan with women.

This needs to be said. You can do good works and support a good cause without posting and snapping pics of you doing so and without broadcasting on social media. Many people are donating and seeking to actually help these women.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

No one can be this stupid

Apparently they can be…

I honestly thought this outrageous, vicious and deeply upsetting assault on women and girls, just for being born female, would have woken people up to the importance of holding the line on sex based rights, and understanding that women and girls are oppressed on account of BIOLOGY. And we have to be able to say so! To protect ourselves and our daughters as much as we can under male oppression. Because if it can happen there, it can happen here.

But then, it isn't called the gender cult for nothing I suppose.

I’m with you lastsummer I can’t understand it at all

Totally agree with you.Mumsnet is full bored women,sharing their boring lives!