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AIBU?

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To think this has to be a hoax?

268 replies

Sashimimimi · 16/08/2021 13:06

British student went to Afghanistan on holiday Hmm Is now trapped in a safe house and has ‘accepted death’. He’s been live blogging about his situation on 4chan. Incel types hailing him as a legend.

AIBU to think this is has to be a windup?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-student-22-stuck-afghanistan-24768024.amp

OP posts:
Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 16/08/2021 22:33

@saraclara

He sounds an obnoxious idiot.

But there's quite some ignorance about other countries on here. In peacetime I'd go to Afghanistan like a shot. China is a perfectly safe and fascinating country to visit for culture and natural wonders, Ethiopia is mainstream for an explorer holiday, and Iran is hands down the most amazing country I've ever been to, with the most lovely and hospitable people I've ever come across.

So yes, people go to these countries for perfectly good reasons. Though this guy doesn't seem to have been one of them.

Well China is great unless you happen to be say a businessman or academic who has the misfortune to be over there when a friend of the CCP is arrested in say Canada

I would love to visit Ethiopia but probably best not to go at the momentHmm

RubyGoat · 16/08/2021 22:36

After reports online of Afghans attempting to cling to the wheels of a US plane & falling off once it was hundreds of feet in the air, plus multiple other casualties on the ground when the plane took off, I have nothing but contempt for this person. The absolute desperation the Afghan citizens must have felt to even have attempted to flee in that way, & this selfish voyeuristic scumbag is gleefully glorying in the fact that he got a seat over someone who didn't have a choice. The lack of judgment is staggering.

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 16/08/2021 22:41

@MrsTerryPratchett if it explains someone not having the mental capacity to decide whether or not it's a bad idea to go on holiday to a war zone, how can you say it doesn't explain someone not realising that being homophobic is bad?

And it seems just in my shortish life we've moved from 16 year olds being ok to make decisions to 18 and now... just kids until they are 25? Fucking hell

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/08/2021 23:05

[quote Theythinkitsalloveritisnow]@MrsTerryPratchett if it explains someone not having the mental capacity to decide whether or not it's a bad idea to go on holiday to a war zone, how can you say it doesn't explain someone not realising that being homophobic is bad?

And it seems just in my shortish life we've moved from 16 year olds being ok to make decisions to 18 and now... just kids until they are 25? Fucking hell[/quote]
Because it's directly linked to impulsively and risk assessment. Not lack of empathy and a basic deficiency in humanity.

Understanding isn't the same as an excuse!

Needapoodle · 16/08/2021 23:24

What a useless disgusting piece of shit he is. Leave him there.

EastWestWhosBest · 16/08/2021 23:27

@AbsolutelyPatsy

he is 21, does that not change your mind. it is so easy, just a click of the mouse, to book flights
Many of us on here were living independently at 21. Quite a few with babies to look after.

Piss of with this ‘oh he’s only 21, poor wee lamb.’

I’d almost forgive a 15 year old or younger but not a grown fucking man of 21.

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 16/08/2021 23:37

Development stage of his brain isn't relevant here.
Yes brain maturation occurs in late twenties.

However- he made an informed decision to go. He had capacity to make that decision- and now he has to take responsibility for his choices .

I have no empathy for him. This isnt a poor young vulnerable male .

He believes in male white supremacy . Therefore I honestly don't care if he comes back or not..

brokenbiscuitsx · 17/08/2021 08:29

Why are incel types hailing him as a legend, I don’t understand this bit. Is he anti women or something? Confused

MolyHolyGuacamole · 17/08/2021 08:39

@LegoCaltrops

After reports online of Afghans attempting to cling to the wheels of a US plane & falling off once it was hundreds of feet in the air, plus multiple other casualties on the ground when the plane took off, I have nothing but contempt for this person. The absolute desperation the Afghan citizens must have felt to even have attempted to flee in that way, & this selfish voyeuristic scumbag is gleefully glorying in the fact that he got a seat over someone who didn't have a choice. The lack of judgment is staggering.
I ask anyone who wants to defend his actions with 'brain development' to read this and read it again.
MolyHolyGuacamole · 17/08/2021 08:42

@brokenbiscuitsx

Why are incel types hailing him as a legend, I don’t understand this bit. Is he anti women or something? Confused
Well, considering he went to visit a country that has been shown in the news for years for its very anti-women laws, all in search of an entertaining experience, I'd hazard a guess that he is.
MrsSkylerWhite · 17/08/2021 08:44

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow

saraclara
He sounds an obnoxious idiot.

But there's quite some ignorance about other countries on here. In peacetime I'd go to Afghanistan like a shot. China is a perfectly safe and fascinating country to visit for culture and natural wonders, Ethiopia is mainstream for an explorer holiday, and Iran is hands down the most amazing country I've ever been to, with the most lovely and hospitable people I've ever come across. “

I’ve always wanted to visit Iran, it looks beautiful and it’s cultural history is fascinating.

Anyone who entered Afghanistan as a tourist a week ago though is clearly insane.

Malvarrosa · 17/08/2021 09:37

@JRKismyhero

I have visited Chernobyl and it was very safe - I definitely wouldn't have had the balls to go to Afghanistan though!
Yes, this struck me too and made me think that this person is likely incredibly naïve about international travel; Chernobyl now vs Kabul over the last few weeks (or months, or even years) is a completely inappropriate comparison.

Yes, parts of eastern Ukraine can still be dangerous, but for Chernobyl you fly into Kiev (a modern city which is very safe by European standards, and where most people in the tourist industry speak excellent English) and arrange to be taken by van or minibus into the exclusion zone, most often in a luxury van with a dozen other tourists and a driver and guide. Within the zone, you're required to have a government-approved guide; even if you stay longer than the typical day trip, you're never alone and never have to rely on your own wits or judgment.

It's an interesting and enlightening trip - if someone wants to go please do, and consider making time to see Kiev as well - but compared to Kabul in August 2021, it's like a school field trip.

isthisareverse · 17/08/2021 10:40

In peacetime I'd go to Afghanistan like a shot
why wouldn't you.

The issue is that Afghanistan hasn't known peace time for a very long time.

People scared to go to London because of terrorist threats were a tad over the top, (even if the threats were real for the entire country), but the situation in Afghanistan was on another level entirely, even before the last few days.

Noteshook · 17/08/2021 11:01

Not sure why some are so keen to make excuses for his idiotic decisions. He even says himself that when the takeover was evident he couldn't get a refund on his ticket so decided to go anyway. Wouldn't wish harm on anyone so objectively pleased he has now been taken to safety, but furious his self indulgent trip for kicks and some likes online meant he took the space of someone else on a plane, vile. He sounds horrendous, not doing great things for longborough University either.

Window1 · 17/08/2021 11:59

Do we know whether he was actually there and if he has made it home?

Absolute idiot with a lot of growth to do, but I can't say that I wish him dead.

snowballer · 17/08/2021 12:33

From his Facebook it seems he is out and in Dubai. He is lucky. And an absolute tit

EverybodyIsInteresting · 17/08/2021 13:03

Given the footage of what appears to be him on a rescue flight, I think it's safe to say the people that agreed this was a hoax were incorrect.

lineeyesneeded · 17/08/2021 13:11

@snowballer

From his Facebook it seems he is out and in Dubai. He is lucky. And an absolute tit
He's a tit who will dine out on this story for years, it will also encourage him to take more risks because if he can survive this he can survive anything...... the whole story makes me cross Angry
JRKismyhero · 17/08/2021 13:39

@Malvarrosa thank you! That is the exact experience that I had. And Kiev is a wonderful place to visit. Definitely not comparable!

RoseAndRose · 17/08/2021 15:49

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-58244518

BBC report of his evacuation

Needapoodle · 17/08/2021 15:50

He potentially took a seat from one of the many desperate children in kabul airport. Well done him. What a fucking cunt.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 17/08/2021 16:20

@RoseAndRose

And still nobody has been able to confirm he is actually out there!

His mum is too upset to speak

NATO, Foreign & Commonwealth Office and a number of other organisations haven't been able to confirm him being in Afghanistan or Dubai

So, wherever he is, his mum is distraught and a number of military and governmental organisations are spending time looking for him. Whether it is or is not a hoax he is costing a bloody fortune in money, time and effort! Not to mention the danger he is palcing others in.

All we know is what he has posted on a number of social media platforms. I can't help but think he needs a SM detox when all this is sorted! Maybe being banned from all platforms.

Sashimimimi · 17/08/2021 16:22

He potentially took a seat from one of the many desperate children in kabul airport.

🤢

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isthisareverse · 17/08/2021 17:04

He potentially took a seat from one of the many desperate children in kabul airport.

nothing potential about it. Just look at the photos of people crammed as much as possible to take as many as they can.

He TOOK a seat from one desperate people, who will end up tortured and killed, or raped, tortured and killed. (otherwise they wouldn't be so desperate to escape). He has blood on his hands.

heldinadream · 17/08/2021 17:24

His fb page. In case anyone wants to comment. It's suitably narcissistic, from the glance I've had.

www.facebook.com/miles.routledge

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