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Ex-MIL demanding “her” clothes back for DD

257 replies

TheyreOnlyClothes · 15/08/2021 13:07

Situation: Split with now ExH in 2017 due to his violence and control, share a 7yo DD.

Due to his own circumstances and DDs medical needs he has contact with DD at his parents, EOW for 1 night.

She obviously has clothes at both homes, and I’ve never been bothered about whats at Ex-Hs/Ex-PILs and whats here as long as she has enough of everything. Occasionally ExH will text me and ask me to send some extra leggings or tshirts or dresses etc. because he’s running short there, similarly I will text him. If she has a growth spurt we’ll both agree to buy things, so I might get dresses and tshirts and ExH will get leggings/trousers and jumpers (we both shop at different places so DD gets the chance to mix and match stuff depending on her mood). For each house we buy our own pants, socks and vests. Shoes go between houses but she does have things like wellies at both homes.

We didn’t get on as a couple, no matter what he did I’m not totally blameless so I am prepared to work at a co-parenting relationship, which I feel we have. We have both agreed that as long as she has clothes and toys at both homes things can move between them – both homes have a 1 in 1 out policy so if she brings something from ExHs to here, she takes something from here back to ExHs and vice versa.

Ex-MIL has sent me a long ranting text asking for all the clothes back shes bought for DD over the last few years, accused me of selling them to “profit from her son” and told me if I don’t hand them all over she is taking me to the small claims court for reimbursement before taking me to the family courts for full custody.

I’ve replied saying that when DD grows out of clothes both me and ExH sell the old ones to replace with new things, I have no idea which clothes she bought for DD as things go between homes but if DDs wardrobe there was running short of things I could sort out a bag of clothes to send with DD next time she’s there to keep there.

She’s replied “see you in court”

What I’ve replied is genuinely the truth, I have no idea who bought what clothes. There’s probably things I or my parents bought for DD at their house and the same with ExHs and Ex-PILs stuff here, I don’t care who bought it or where it is as long as DDs happy, clothed and got toys to play with. Similarly the other parents in DDs class swap things between us as some of the children can decide suddenly they love their friends jumper from none uniform day so we swap things around, so theres a chance that something ExH/Ex-PILs bought is actually being worn by one of the other girls in DDs class – I know for example there’s a jumper DD has and loves that was bought for her friend at school by her grandparents but she hated it so swapped it with DD for one she preferred I did buy the jumper she swapped though as I remember buying it (the school actually encourage this set up rather than clothes sitting unworn in wardrobes until they get thrown away).

So AIBU? And if she does take me to small claims will she win? I admit I sell old clothes on ebay and/or facebook to get some money back to get replacements and I maybe sell them before DD grows out of them fully so I can replace with a bigger size but I’ve never tried to profit from the arrangement. ExH pays maintenance but Ex-PILs think it’s too much so that’s the only reason I can think Ex-MIL is behaving like this.

OP posts:
frazzledasarock · 15/08/2021 22:58

This doesn’t sound like one parent keeping nice clothes and sending the child in rags.

Both parents agree on clothes purchases and even consult on which shops they’re buying from to ensure child gets a variety of clothing.

Both parents shop at similar price range shops. And both parents sell on outgrown clothing that’s at their house.

It seems imminently sensible to me and nobody but the grandmother appears to be angry over it.

I honestly never remember what clothes I’ve bought my DC they grow so fast and I'm forever picking up clothes I see which on sales so I’d be hard pushed to pick out what clothes I’d purchased and which had been gifted by friends and family.

Redwinestillfine · 15/08/2021 23:09

Keep records of her unreasonable behaviour and get ex to speak to her about it. Block her number and refuse to engage directly with her from now on.

ArcheryAnnie · 16/08/2021 01:16

ExHs sibling adopted two DC and Ex-MIL doesn't see them as her GC in the same way

This is still really fucked-up.

Justilou1 · 16/08/2021 07:12

Yeah… she’s really endearing herself to me now, that MIL. Any stray meteors due that we know of?

Goingdriving · 16/08/2021 09:30

Cagney NYPD above had a good response. Don’t get drawn in. Don’t write anything inflammatory. Don’t respond to the court thing - it’s nuts and she just seems unhinged - and ignoring it is the best way forward. Forward a message like the one Cagney has suggested to your ex along with the correspondence from his mum and ask if he can sort it out.

Brainwave89 · 16/08/2021 09:48

Either do not reply at all or reply with a straight response. Something along the lines of "I am sorry you feel that way, but it is not reasonable to ask for the return of clothes which I cannot identify individually and will be too small at this stage anyway". No hope in court, but if she does push at any point for custody you need to make sure you look wholly reasonable and patient and she looks completely batshit.

Boredmotherofone · 16/08/2021 12:38

@TheyreOnlyClothes Wow. What did you reply, OP?
I'd have said "Unfortunately the Court will not entertain your application for custody as grandparental rights only exist when a grandparent can prove an existing strong and enduring bond - neither of which you have. They are also extremely unlikely to offer ExH any additional custody as he is violent & abusive. Good day!"

anonforamo · 16/08/2021 13:05

The fact ex-MIL has other grandchildren who are adopted and doesn't treat them the same way, says almost all you need to know about a person.

Good luck with dealing with her @TheyreOnlyClothes hoping she stops her texts and just leaves you alone. Great you sell the clothes to pay for next size - a good frugal endeavour!

OhGiveUp · 16/08/2021 13:57

I assume she's taking her son to court for the value of all the stuff he's got rid of too?
Dear son, see you in court 😂

acolderwar · 16/08/2021 13:59

Only real dickheads use the phrase 'see you in court'.

Dsisproblem · 16/08/2021 14:08

PLEASE reply with a thumbs up emoji. It will piss her off so much

FinallyFluid · 16/08/2021 14:22

She is truly barking.

2mutsandsomebabies · 16/08/2021 17:00

Theyreonlyclothes any news from MIL or ex today? I can't add anything that other posters haven't said already but you are clearly in the right!
I can't imagine what her next move/ comment will be.

AryaStarkWolf · 16/08/2021 17:08

You've messaged your ex and now don't give it another thought, court my arse, she would make herself look so silly plus I doubt any Solicitor would take that case. If she messages you again ignore her

OldMamaOf3 · 16/08/2021 17:36

Was she pissed when she sent the message?

motherofcatsandbears · 16/08/2021 17:46

She sounds like a very bitter old hag.
Ask her for receipts for the clothes she bought as the court will want to see proof, if it doesn’t get laughed out of court.
Sounds like you and exh have a good working arrangement, pity the bitch of a gm is trying to spoil it.

caspersmagicaljourney · 16/08/2021 17:46

@Sirzy

“Dear Judge. My granddaughter is wearing clothes I purchased for her. Please make this stop” Grin
Made me smile 😁 No court in it's right mind is going to bother with this. Just ignore MIL she's having a brainfart 🙄
Passenger42 · 16/08/2021 17:48

Just ignore, don’t at any cost reply and get into any slanging match with her. When you sell on Facebook marketplace tick the box to say do not notify friends so she cannot see your posts.

custardbear · 16/08/2021 17:54

She's meddling! This is an arrangement between you and your ex which seems to work, she's trying to sabotage this - I did think the idea of a bag was good though with anyone not bought by you, send it back - but no doubt that would be twisted in some way

LipstickLou · 16/08/2021 17:56

OP it is an offence to send threatening emails or letters (two is sufficient if they cause you distress). I know this as I have just had someone visited by the police for threatening me. Keep everything and don't respond.

Mumontour85 · 16/08/2021 18:02

Woah, what an absolute delight!
I would ignore entirely and let her waste her energy being cross and her money on a case that I imagine would be thrown out as the judge laughs! Having said that, I am not a legal expert in ANY way so it is entirely up to you to take the risk...
I would definitely quit communicating with her at all, if you and your ex are trying to be civil and work things out then do that, block her and make her come through him if she has anything to say.
Or, be petty as fuck and play her at her own game - if they have visitation once a week I am pretty sure you could find a reason to have that stopped for a while. Although you are then running the risk of punishing your daughter not letting her see her Dad...

Tricky.

Good luck!

BlueVixen · 16/08/2021 18:22

I work in the family courts - she'd get nowhere. Utter nonsense!

TooTrusting · 16/08/2021 18:29

Family solicitor here.
Grandparent can't just apply for an order re residence/contact. They have to apply first for permission to do so. On these facts she is unlikely to get it because she already has de facto formal contact, and no grounds for changing residence.
The small claim re the clothes is a nonsense. There is no claim. If she's foolish enough to do it (highly unlikely) she won't win.
I would completely ignore her. But do tell X that you believe your current arrangement works well and you are perplexed at the unpleasant and aggressive message. And to avoid a repeat please can he make sure either that GM's purchases are clearly labelled or preferably that anything she buys stays with GM - you never want to have a debate about who has bought what, as far as you are concerned DD's clothes are DD's, whoever paid for them.
The best way to carry on co-parenting is to ignore this for the foolishness it is.

SeaShoreGalore · 16/08/2021 18:48

Does she think this is the telly?

NoProblem123 · 16/08/2021 18:51

I haven't read the whole thread (so sorry in advance) but it sounds like your arrangement is working really well generally, which is no mean feat !
I would phone ExMil to discuss. Texting is not the way to deal with this and I wouldn’t want it to escalate into something it’s not.
She clearly has communication/issues but no way would I allow her to ruin what seems like a good thing for your DD.