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Am I really a bully?! Should I give them the money?

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Charitytat · 13/08/2021 16:49

Sorry this is long and sounds very petty, but it's more indicative of a bigger picture and related to my relationship with my parents, which I struggle with. Happy to be told AIBU but please be kind 😬 as my anxiety is making this all very upsetting.

For several years I've enjoyed nosying around car boots and charity shops for bargains, and sometimes make a bit of spending money doing this. My parents started doing the same thing a few years ago and do regular car boots. These now take up most weekends and when they visit they want to spend all day in charity shops. They are very grabby and competitive. I don't resent this but it means it usually trumps anything else and it's getting wearing.

On a recent visit we'd been in a shop about an hour. It was lunch, I was worried about the dog, dad was bored. He asked me to get mum. She was looking at something, asked me about it, and I said I didn't really like it although to be fair I didn't really look properly. I then asked if we could go as both dad and I were waiting. She ended up not buying it but bought other things.

Mum had googled stuff on her phone and told me to go back to the shop to buy some (horrendous) tea pots. A couple of days later I popped in, couldn't find the teapots (secretly relieved) but saw the thing mum was looking at, had another look and googled it. It turned out to be worth a fair bit of money, so I bought it.

I told them about it and after mum found out what it was worth she was upset and quiet. Dad then said I had been horrible to mum and called me a bully, and that I made mum not buy it in the shop. He is really angry and has said I must give half the money to mum. This is despite him wanting to leave and asking me to get mum. Mum is her own entity and could have googled it, but in their heads I am now mean for buying it and turning a profit. If I had bought the teapot that would have been fine, but this item is apparently not fine. If someone else had bought clearly they wouldn't think badly of that person and would have just been irritated it 'got away'. But I have been horrible to them.

I think what's really going on is mum is upset with herself for not buying it and is taking it out on me, and mum can do no wrong in dad's eyes and he is backing mum up in his own way. They are NEVER wrong.

It's nearly 2 months rent (they know I am struggling for money). I told mum I'd give her some and she said 'i should think so too'. No thanks, no happiness, just an entitled response. I was initially intending on giving mum some, but as a surprise. Now I feel very resentful for being forced to. Dad called me a bully really upset me and ironically I now feel bullied.

Sorry this is long. It's not really about the money I suppose, but about my relationship with my parents. I'm 35 and feel like a child.
I would LOVE to stick up to them and I have told dad he is wrong for what he said, but he completely disagrees. They are now not talking to me about it but I expect this will change once I give mum the money.

AIBU for either keeping all of the money or just bloody giving it to charity to spite them, even though I need it? I feel like the damage is done on both sides, right or wrong, but is there a way of turning this around?

I can see mum's view and she thinks that I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't seen her looking at it. I don't know if that's true or not. It's dad's behaviour I'm really upset with.

For those who think I should give the money to charity regardless, this is not an uncommon thing (watch Antiques roadshow!) So would appreciate not being told that I'm stealing from charity - I bought it, not stole it!

OP posts:
Nocutenamesleft · 13/08/2021 19:27

They have always been very helpful in the past, through university etc. My mum is a very kind and generous person (often to her detriment) and I like to think that I have inherited these traits.

If this is true. There’s has to be a reason behind it

Maybe they are struggling for money too.

ThisIsStartingToBoreMe · 13/08/2021 19:29

Exactly how much money are we talking about here?

Nocutenamesleft · 13/08/2021 19:29

Again no sneaking involved - Mum told me to go back to the shop! I wouldn't have gone back if Mum hadn't have told me to.

Again. If this is true. Then your mum did honestly draw your attention to the item. Not only that. She was the only reason you went back in and subsequently brought the item. Without her you wouldn’t of gone back in.

Which case I’d give her half. For sure.

Greystray · 13/08/2021 19:34

I'd feel tempted to just drop the item off at their house, and tell them that it would be appropriate to take a bit of a break from each other. They can hang out with the teapot for a month or two.

Cailleachian · 13/08/2021 19:34

@mam0918

YABU as are your parents to be making a living out of knowingly ripping off charities.

Bargain hunting to save yourself money on things you want/need is one thing but to buy things you know have been severally accidentally undervalued by charity shops purely to make yourself big profits is utterly shameless and immoral.

Im in a lot of charity shop search groups and its pretty standard that if you buy something purely to sell and it makes a big profit your return at least a decent chunk of profit to the charity. Most groups will kick you out if they find you are doing things like this.

The price is right there, the shop decided to sell it at that price, and she bought it. No foul.

Your comment reminded me of someone I knew a long time ago. He was a care leaver and ended living on the streets in London.

Winter was coming and he was looking for a warm coat and he saw one in a Centrepoint charity shop, but he couldnt save up enough from begging to get it, so he went into the changing room, and walked out the door wearing it. They called the police and he got 6 months for theft.

What was the point of there being a charity for the homeless youth when they criminalised them.

The OP is struggling for money at a time when many are having difficulties, she isnt in a position to donate large sums to charity. She has found a way to keep afloat by identifying things that others value less than other people do, and is providing a service in getting those undervalued items into the hands of people who value them,

The charity isnt doing this, nor is it even attempting to, that isnt the point of the charity. If it was a charity for the preservation of antique teapots, then yeah, I can see them getting pissed off if she had snapped them up to sell onto a youtube prankster that was going to smash them, but they dont care about these items, they just want whatever they think someone will pay for them.

OP - I think this probably stems from competitiveness between you and your mother, your Dad is fed up with it and fed up with being dragged around charity shops (and with the stuff!)

Tubs11 · 13/08/2021 19:35

I feel like you were being smug in telling them and are an equal contributor to this toxic relationship. You say you'll give your mum some of the money, which to me doesn't sound like half, which is what you really ought to give her

Nocutenamesleft · 13/08/2021 19:36

@Charitytat

I think some people are missing the point of the thread, probably my fault for not phrasing properly what I wanted from this. Also a few points that people are getting wrong:
  • I have NEVER said that I wasn't going to give Mum some of the money. This was my intention from the start and I was excited to do it in a thoughtful way like take her out.
  • I didn't sneak back to the shop. Mum told me to go.
  • I didn't force Mum to leave. Dad asked me to tell her to hurry up as we'd been in there ages, which is perfectly fair.
  • She had googled loads of other things. I honestly believe that she wouldn't have bought it even if I hadn't of asked her about hurrying up at that time.
  • I told them it was worth something because 1. I was intending on giving Mum some and 2. I think it would be FAR worse if I had not told them and sneakily kept all of the money

My AIBU is that, AFTER my Dad's behaviour and calling me a bully, and my Mum's entitled comments just expecting without any sort of thank you for getting it, well done for having a proper look, thanks for the time it will take to put it on ebay, I don't feel like continuing with the original plan. I feel hurt by Dad's comments and silent treatment and it's been completely ruined.

Does that make more sense? It's not really about should I have given Mum half the money after buying it. It's should I CONTINUE given their behaviour, which has really affected me.

Yes. I think you should.

Although not a bully. I think yes. You should give them half

RadandMad · 13/08/2021 19:37

If it were me, I'd split the money. But your parents' behaviour, particularly your dad's, is not reasonable. You're not dealing with emotional adults here and you need to set some boundaries.

Dontwatchfootball · 13/08/2021 19:37

You are not a bully. Your parents are bullies. I would give her half the money to keep the peace but dont go shopping with them again. And next time your father wants your mother to hurry up, he can tell her himself. This is classic scapegoating - look at narcissitic family info online. So sorry, this is hideous. Dont listen to the people who are critical of you. None of this is your fault.

NCwhatsmynameagain · 13/08/2021 19:40

Can see why your parents were upset. You bought something your mum was interested in but couldn’t buy because you rushed her out of the shop. You of course aren’t obliged to give her anything but she’s not unreasonable for being disappointed for the way in which this whole thing has unfolded.

charliebrown59 · 13/08/2021 19:42

tbh this seems like classic overthinking to me - your mum spotted it, you went back and checked it further, give her half the money and case closed. Your relationship with both of them is more valuable than this, you'll still both have made money on this find.

PinkiOcelot · 13/08/2021 19:42

@Getawaywithit don’t be ridiculous. Would you pay tax on money you made at a car boot sale?!

Nocutenamesleft · 13/08/2021 19:43

@DeRigueurMortis

I’ve been homeless. I’ve been unable to eat. My mum didn’t eat so I could.

Yes. It’s hard to keep a roof over your head. But maybe the mum is too?!?

It wasn’t me who said about giving it to charity. It was the OP. I wouldn’t of suggested it if they hadn’t. But in my opinion. Which is all this site is. Giving opinions. I’d want to give my half to the charity. Like the OP suggested. So that I could have a positive outcome in my opinion from this.

WildfirePonie · 13/08/2021 19:45

YANBU.

Can you distance yourself from your parents a bit? Start with not telling them everything that you do or buy is a good place to start.

Don't talk to them so much, don't meet up with them as often...

I think you will feel a lot better if you create some distance. They don't sound nice and they treat you like a child.

I don't believe you were sneaky in any way. THEY are the bullies. Drop them like a hot potato. Why bother with people like this just because they are family.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 13/08/2021 19:46

@Getawaywithit

Hope you’re paying tax on your earnings
🤣🤣🤣WTF is it with some people.

You don't pay tax on stuff you sell second hand 😂😂

OP keep the money. You need it more than they do, and don't feel bad. They're being really bloody weird

IveNameChangedAgain2020 · 13/08/2021 19:46

Your mum is a big woman. If she wanted to buy it she could/should have. Seriously I've never seen that level of pettiness from a grown woman. I would have offered her money, but I also know my mum wouldn't have taken it.

justmetoday · 13/08/2021 19:47

It seems like a huge fuss over something so small tbh.
If this was me and my family, i would have bought the item, told mum about it and i would have sold it for her and given her the money. Mum would have refused to take the money and i probably would have ended up keeping it myself. Then i would have bought a nice gift for her or invited her out for a nice meal.

So basically i think you made the first “mistake” because you “stole” her find and didnt offer to share. But if i had done that and my mum knew im struggling with money, then she would have been happy for me and she wouldnt act out about it like your mum did.

I think you should try to smooth things over and share the money. And if you really did intend to share with her you should have a talk with her and let her know that there was no need to be so rude about it.

StrawberryJamSandwiches · 13/08/2021 19:50

I completely agree with you OP. Your parents are being mean about it, I dont understand why they wouldn't be happy for you to have made some money, given you appear to be going through a difficult time. The "I should think so too" attitude would have really irked me too, and I would be feeling the same, that I wouldn't want to give them anything from it. I think you need to step back from them and reduce contact tbh. Take care.

Thighdentitycrisis · 13/08/2021 19:50

I see it differently

There is a flaw in the argument that you wouldn’t have looked at it if Mum hadn’t seen it - no evidence to show that.
Yes you gave it a quick glance and asked her to hurry up on yours and Dad’s behalf- but that does mean you wouldn’t have noticed it if you’d gone in on your own
I’m assuming this is where you live and parents were visiting- so more chance you would find it on your own than with mums help

I thought she wanted you to buy the teapot for her! But to say sell it for your profit but object to you buying something else independently is bonkers

Also, your mum needs to stand up for herself, if she feels bullied (by anyone including Dad) then She should take more control of her life and say “wait, I want to look at this item and Google it and decide “

MontysMinions · 13/08/2021 19:53

I have read the thread and all your updates. There is clearly a lot of history and established dynamics at play underneath this.

Firstly, I don’t think you’re a bully and your dad was wrong to call you such. I can’t see anywhere what your mum has done wrong in this though?

I think YABU in your take of the situation though. You seem to have put all the blame for hurrying your mum up on your dad, but state several times you had a young pup at home for 4 hours alone. So honestly, you both chivvied her up.

You showed little interest in what your mum was looking at and told her you didn’t like the items she pointed out (although she was in there a lonnnnnng time!)

You went back, relieved that her horrible items weren’t there and googled the item she was looking at, finding it worth a lot of money (2months rent) and bought it.

You then rang your parents about your success and made no mention at all about sharing it with your mum (you say several times it was going to be a surprise) and then can’t understand why they’re upset. Again, your dad was wrong to say you’re a bully.

If you were out with a friend, browsing shops, she hurried you up, dismissed items you were interested in, you then left a particular item youd shown her (i don’t actually think it’s relevant if you were going to buy it, you didn’t have the time to decide), then you asked the friend to get the item she didn’t like...she went back, didn’t get that item but instead rang to tell you all about her success in finding this other one that was worth a bit and even though she may be planning on splitting it, makes no mention of it to you....you would be royally pissed off! And I don’t believe you if you disagree!

RyanReynoldsHusband · 13/08/2021 19:53

YABU to cal them mum and dad. Whose mum and dad? My mum and dad? Please add ‘my’ to the front

Nayday · 13/08/2021 19:54

I don't think you're a bully but sod the money etc, you need some distance from your folks.

You nailed it in your first post when you said you feel like a child. You're 35 and live independently but the dynamic here is off. The 3 of you are intertwined in a way that isn't good for any of you - mistrust, blaming, name calling (all of these appear to be on your parents side to you), and then from you to them, over sharing, feeling the need to tell them that you bought the item and it was worth a lot etc, saving up for your dad's electric bike, a lovely idea but you're living in rented accomodation and struggling with bills yourself.

Your parents are grown adults but not acting like it. You feel like a child, but you are not. You have choices. I'm not suggesting anything extreme, but maybe over the next couple if years gently building up your life so that they are part of it, but not so much focus. Fewer arguments, or acceptance on your part of being called names by your dad. That's not typical parent behavior, and it's certainly not right. You might need external help to do this by the way if you're really embedded (e.g counseling) but building a relationship with boundaries and mutual respect sounds altogether healthier for all of you.

Flowerpower23 · 13/08/2021 19:55

100% I would offer my mum the money! I probably would have texted her when I realised how much it was worth and asked her if she wanted me to buy it for her! It does sound a little mean imo. And you’ve said they are competitive with you, but here you are being competitive with them and buying it behind her back.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 13/08/2021 19:56

@RyanReynoldsHusband

YABU to cal them mum and dad. Whose mum and dad? My mum and dad? Please add ‘my’ to the front
Why would you think the OP meant YOUR mum and dad?
Miyiam · 13/08/2021 19:58

@Nayday nailed my thoughts 100%.

The money is not the problem here. You need to create some breathing space.

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