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Am I really a bully?! Should I give them the money?

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Charitytat · 13/08/2021 16:49

Sorry this is long and sounds very petty, but it's more indicative of a bigger picture and related to my relationship with my parents, which I struggle with. Happy to be told AIBU but please be kind 😬 as my anxiety is making this all very upsetting.

For several years I've enjoyed nosying around car boots and charity shops for bargains, and sometimes make a bit of spending money doing this. My parents started doing the same thing a few years ago and do regular car boots. These now take up most weekends and when they visit they want to spend all day in charity shops. They are very grabby and competitive. I don't resent this but it means it usually trumps anything else and it's getting wearing.

On a recent visit we'd been in a shop about an hour. It was lunch, I was worried about the dog, dad was bored. He asked me to get mum. She was looking at something, asked me about it, and I said I didn't really like it although to be fair I didn't really look properly. I then asked if we could go as both dad and I were waiting. She ended up not buying it but bought other things.

Mum had googled stuff on her phone and told me to go back to the shop to buy some (horrendous) tea pots. A couple of days later I popped in, couldn't find the teapots (secretly relieved) but saw the thing mum was looking at, had another look and googled it. It turned out to be worth a fair bit of money, so I bought it.

I told them about it and after mum found out what it was worth she was upset and quiet. Dad then said I had been horrible to mum and called me a bully, and that I made mum not buy it in the shop. He is really angry and has said I must give half the money to mum. This is despite him wanting to leave and asking me to get mum. Mum is her own entity and could have googled it, but in their heads I am now mean for buying it and turning a profit. If I had bought the teapot that would have been fine, but this item is apparently not fine. If someone else had bought clearly they wouldn't think badly of that person and would have just been irritated it 'got away'. But I have been horrible to them.

I think what's really going on is mum is upset with herself for not buying it and is taking it out on me, and mum can do no wrong in dad's eyes and he is backing mum up in his own way. They are NEVER wrong.

It's nearly 2 months rent (they know I am struggling for money). I told mum I'd give her some and she said 'i should think so too'. No thanks, no happiness, just an entitled response. I was initially intending on giving mum some, but as a surprise. Now I feel very resentful for being forced to. Dad called me a bully really upset me and ironically I now feel bullied.

Sorry this is long. It's not really about the money I suppose, but about my relationship with my parents. I'm 35 and feel like a child.
I would LOVE to stick up to them and I have told dad he is wrong for what he said, but he completely disagrees. They are now not talking to me about it but I expect this will change once I give mum the money.

AIBU for either keeping all of the money or just bloody giving it to charity to spite them, even though I need it? I feel like the damage is done on both sides, right or wrong, but is there a way of turning this around?

I can see mum's view and she thinks that I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't seen her looking at it. I don't know if that's true or not. It's dad's behaviour I'm really upset with.

For those who think I should give the money to charity regardless, this is not an uncommon thing (watch Antiques roadshow!) So would appreciate not being told that I'm stealing from charity - I bought it, not stole it!

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Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:28

@cinammonbuns

Tbh I think your r Jesuit looking for people to agree with you and justify you not giving your mother some of the money because your dad was mean. Put yourself in her shoes. Not going to bother elaborating any more though because from the tone of your responses you are one of those posters who only wants to be told they are right and will argue with anybody saying anything else.
Not at all, I find my relationship with my parents really difficult at times - we are extremely close but also bicker. I have also come to realise that the way they behave sometimes is not OK and contributes to my poor mental health. So I want to be able to stand up to the poor behaviour, but I also don't want to upset them and I don't want to do the wrong thing.

By just giving the money they will be all ' I should think so too!' with no regard for how my Dad's words have hurt me. I am also hurt that they didn't give me a chance to do 'the right thing' which was always my intention, and instead turned it into something awful. this all happened before I even sold it.

FWIW I have spent the last 2 years saving up for an electric bike for my Dad. I help them with whatever they need. I ring them often. I would always help them with whatever the ask. I'm not a bully.

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LatinforTelly · 13/08/2021 18:28

Could you explain to them in gentle terms why you feel upset? I suppose not, given the relationship doesn't sound great but what if you tried?

(I think you should have offered to give them half, and they should probably not have accepted, as long as they have no money worries.)

Also, how come no-one has asked you what the thing is - even what category. I am dying to know!

ohdelay · 13/08/2021 18:30

It looks bad that you said you didn't like it, discouraged her from buying it and then bought it for yourself. Then you told them how much profit you were making, may have sounded like you were rubbing it in tbh. Especially if as you they theyre're very competitive about their car booting.
I think I would have called my mum and offered to get the item for her if I'd discovered I'd mistakenly caused her to miss out. She might have said you should get it for yourself if given the option. It's not the end of the world though, you can try and apologise to smooth things over. Explain your thinking at the time and that there wasn't any malice in it.

ParvenuLaLa · 13/08/2021 18:32

I would take a step back from your parents for a while. They've put you on trial hereto avoid feeling stupid. My parents do this; project their low self esteem bullshit on to me with no awareness that that's what they're doing.

So take a step back, take yourself down out of the dock and maybe watch a few jerry wise videos on enmeshment in the family. Not only would you feel less anxiety than you do now if you could detach, but they use your anxiety to manipulate you. It's all entwined.

77kidsandcounting · 13/08/2021 18:34

For all this worth, im on your side. Horrid behaviour from your parents, I would never demand money from my kids, disgusting behaviour. Keep the money buy yourself something nice Flowers

bluebeck · 13/08/2021 18:34

I just cannot understand why you spend so much time with them. You sound completely and unhealthily enmeshed.

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:34

@AmazinglyGraceless

This is one of those posts that I would dearly love to hear the other side of, on this and other issues.

The op seems to think her parents are often in the wrong/unfair.

If the parents are always 'as wrong' as they are in this scenario (ie not at all, justifiably pissed off) then I imagine the op is the one fairly hard to deal with usually, not the parents.

I can see that. I think sometimes I am hard work and absolutely not always right, and sometimes I reflect on an argument we've had and apologise. I've learnt this through counselling.

My parents have not had counselling, and find it very difficult when I push back against bad behaviour. They will never admit fault or apoloigize. There is always a 'but' or 'you made us do this'.

We are quite different in that I am a planner and have to stay organised or I get in a mess. They can be very flaky and forgetful. My Dad is also extremely grumpy and negative. I have worked hard to change this behaviour and it's always a shock when I'm around them now and I challenge anything.

They

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Derbee · 13/08/2021 18:34

I haven’t missed the point of the thread. Your behaviour was wrong from the start, not to tell your mum that you’d be splitting the money.

YABU to feel resentful about it, never mind what your parents have said or done. They’re pissed off because you’ve been grabby

AmazinglyGraceless · 13/08/2021 18:35

THEIR behaviour, in this instance, is entirely caused by your behaviour op.

They're pissed right off at:

  • Your sneakiness in researching it/buying it after putting your mum off
  • Your meanness in not then buying it for your mum when you discovered your error, given the circumstances
  • Your greed in wanting half the profit for an item that wasn't your initial find and putting this above your mum/your relationship
  • Your very misplaced attempt to 'gift' only a portion of the value of this item to your mum and the cheek of thinking this is fair.
  • Your entitled expectation to be congratulated for this 'kindness' and for your parents to express gratitude for receiving only part of what would potentially have been their gain entirely, had you not put your mum off.

You're bang out of order. Your dad is royally pissed off on your mums behalf which if you dig a little deeper suggests to me that your mum is actually hurt. He's sounded off in defence of your mum.

You're trying to use this reaction as justification of your own position now.

This is backwards thinking though because the reaction from your dad would never have occurred had you just acted decently in the first place.

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:36

@HelloDulling

I know this isn’t the point, but you spend AN HOUR in one charity shop?
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm in and out in 10 minutes. This was the 5th one too!

The AIBU is not about whether we spent too much time in the shop, I already know the answer! Grin

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sloutside · 13/08/2021 18:40

Bloody hell that sounds like a toxic relationship.
Give them half the money this time and stop going to charity shops and car boot sales with them. It sounds like a nightmare.

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:40

@Derbee

I haven’t missed the point of the thread. Your behaviour was wrong from the start, not to tell your mum that you’d be splitting the money.

YABU to feel resentful about it, never mind what your parents have said or done. They’re pissed off because you’ve been grabby

Can you read my earlier post about how the conversation went?

I also think I find it very upsetting that, knowing (and often telling me) that I am a kind and generous person, that they didn't give me the opportunity to do this. It was going to be a surprise. But because I didn't say anything, they assumed I was going to keep all of the money. And then Dad made the comments, which have changed how I feel about it all.

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Newmumatlast · 13/08/2021 18:40

@Kazplus2

Your mum drew your attention to it. I think you should give her half the profit.
Agree with this. You sound younger than 35 tbh and I am guessing there is quite a back story with your parents. Realistically you rushed your mum out, told her you didn't like it which no doubt factored into her not buying it, then went back and got it yourself turning a profit. I can see both sides. Split the money, it isnt worth it not to
diddl · 13/08/2021 18:42

Why didn't your Mum just quickly buy it at the time or why didn't you give it straight to her after you bought it?

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:43

@LatinforTelly

Could you explain to them in gentle terms why you feel upset? I suppose not, given the relationship doesn't sound great but what if you tried?

(I think you should have offered to give them half, and they should probably not have accepted, as long as they have no money worries.)

Also, how come no-one has asked you what the thing is - even what category. I am dying to know!

I am going to do this. I tried over the phone but it didn't work.

They are incapable of accepting fault or reflecting. I used to find this really hard too but have had help with this.

I think my Dad would rather vote Tory thank admit that his behaviour is bad and say sorry for his comment. He knows how much it would have upset me.

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Cheeseplantboots · 13/08/2021 18:44

I don’t think you’re a bulky, I think you should have kept your mouth shut but you didn’t so I’d give her half.

Honestly though they don’t sound like very nice people. My parents would never do that,

Aprilx · 13/08/2021 18:46

It wasn’t bullying. But it was a pretty appalling thing to do, I could not imagine doing that to my mother.

abw94 · 13/08/2021 18:47

Your parents are in the wrong IMO.

Your mom could have bought it if she really wanted it. Sounds like you didn't get a chance to see it properly anyway so not like you 'sneaked back to get it'.

I find it extremely sad your parents know you're struggling with money and are demanding a cut, as parent myself I'd want my child to keep it and take some stress away as I know money troubles can really stress you out.

I personally wouldn't speak to them until they apologise for how disgusting they've been to you. I think now is the time you do stand up to them and make it known they can't bully you. Sounds like your dad does wear the trousers which I find odd as a mother, I'd be telling my partner to leave it.

MyPantsAreTooTight · 13/08/2021 18:47

Fuck me. This sodding place!

There is NO money to share.

The OP paid out for it and has NOT sold it yet.

She has seen a SIMILAR one sell for a fair bit.

This one is not identical!
It may not sell!
It may sell for so little, OP makes a loss after ebasy fees.

Another thread full of bullies making shit up and wilfully being obtuse.

ParvenuLaLa · 13/08/2021 18:48

She sounds younger than 35??
I am 51 and only started to disentangle emotionally from my parents in the last two years.

It is very upsetting when your parents gang up on you, martyr up and cast you in the role of having perpetrated some aggression against them. But its not an uncommon family dynamic sadly.

I used to feel so much anxiety when my parents guiltripped me. They order me to consider their feelings all the time while hurting me and not listening to me and not caring/believing that possible that they could hurt me.

It isnt unusual to only figure these unhealthy dynamics out in the 30s and 40s!

Onesipmore · 13/08/2021 18:50

You are now able to use the point of your Dad being rude to keep the lot! Your poor Mum. Im still not sure why you couldn't say, guess what I purchased the item and made more than I expected, so surprise I would like to take you out for lunch...

LatinforTelly · 13/08/2021 18:53

They are incapable of accepting fault or reflecting. I used to find this really hard too but have had help with this.

I am no counsellor, OP, but if you try not to lay blame but couch it in terms such as "I feel really hurt to be called a bully because I was going to give you some money..."

"I feel..." rather than "You did...". I am crap at this, btw, so I can appreciate it's really hard, but I think it's supposed to be effective.

LozzaChops101 · 13/08/2021 18:54

I'd probably have bought it for her instead of the teapots. However I would also avoid doing this sort of thing with them if you can, sounds stressful.

ShuddaBeenMe · 13/08/2021 18:57

He much money are we talking about? And what was it?

Is it sold now or are you just basing it on what others have sod for?