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Am I really a bully?! Should I give them the money?

255 replies

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 16:49

Sorry this is long and sounds very petty, but it's more indicative of a bigger picture and related to my relationship with my parents, which I struggle with. Happy to be told AIBU but please be kind 😬 as my anxiety is making this all very upsetting.

For several years I've enjoyed nosying around car boots and charity shops for bargains, and sometimes make a bit of spending money doing this. My parents started doing the same thing a few years ago and do regular car boots. These now take up most weekends and when they visit they want to spend all day in charity shops. They are very grabby and competitive. I don't resent this but it means it usually trumps anything else and it's getting wearing.

On a recent visit we'd been in a shop about an hour. It was lunch, I was worried about the dog, dad was bored. He asked me to get mum. She was looking at something, asked me about it, and I said I didn't really like it although to be fair I didn't really look properly. I then asked if we could go as both dad and I were waiting. She ended up not buying it but bought other things.

Mum had googled stuff on her phone and told me to go back to the shop to buy some (horrendous) tea pots. A couple of days later I popped in, couldn't find the teapots (secretly relieved) but saw the thing mum was looking at, had another look and googled it. It turned out to be worth a fair bit of money, so I bought it.

I told them about it and after mum found out what it was worth she was upset and quiet. Dad then said I had been horrible to mum and called me a bully, and that I made mum not buy it in the shop. He is really angry and has said I must give half the money to mum. This is despite him wanting to leave and asking me to get mum. Mum is her own entity and could have googled it, but in their heads I am now mean for buying it and turning a profit. If I had bought the teapot that would have been fine, but this item is apparently not fine. If someone else had bought clearly they wouldn't think badly of that person and would have just been irritated it 'got away'. But I have been horrible to them.

I think what's really going on is mum is upset with herself for not buying it and is taking it out on me, and mum can do no wrong in dad's eyes and he is backing mum up in his own way. They are NEVER wrong.

It's nearly 2 months rent (they know I am struggling for money). I told mum I'd give her some and she said 'i should think so too'. No thanks, no happiness, just an entitled response. I was initially intending on giving mum some, but as a surprise. Now I feel very resentful for being forced to. Dad called me a bully really upset me and ironically I now feel bullied.

Sorry this is long. It's not really about the money I suppose, but about my relationship with my parents. I'm 35 and feel like a child.
I would LOVE to stick up to them and I have told dad he is wrong for what he said, but he completely disagrees. They are now not talking to me about it but I expect this will change once I give mum the money.

AIBU for either keeping all of the money or just bloody giving it to charity to spite them, even though I need it? I feel like the damage is done on both sides, right or wrong, but is there a way of turning this around?

I can see mum's view and she thinks that I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't seen her looking at it. I don't know if that's true or not. It's dad's behaviour I'm really upset with.

For those who think I should give the money to charity regardless, this is not an uncommon thing (watch Antiques roadshow!) So would appreciate not being told that I'm stealing from charity - I bought it, not stole it!

OP posts:
AveryGoodlay · 13/08/2021 21:25

Why did you tell them? Tbh it sounds like you were lording it over them that you went to get it after you discouraged your mum from it. And it wasn't just your dad who was so keen to leave, you were too.

I know you've said how you were definitely going to give your mum "some" money, but of course you're saying that now. Why wouldn't you have waited until you were giving her "some" money to tell them about it?

Their behaviour doesn't sound nice but you haven't exactly covered yourself in glory either. You all sound rather strange!

mummabear20202022 · 13/08/2021 21:34

I can't relate to the reaction of your parents to be honest, can't imagine ever feeling entitled to something my daughter has (even given these circumstances).

As a daughter, I'd have probably given half anyway without mentioning buying it before hand, however can see why you did considering it's a hobby you all share. I don't think you're completely unreasonable to be honest

AveryGoodlay · 13/08/2021 21:38

sniffy response Ugh this will be my answer on the next "MN phrases you hate" thread! No idea what it even means Envy. I googled it but it just comes up with things to do with the virtual rat!

BananaMilkshakeWithCream · 13/08/2021 21:45

How much is it worth? Sorry, just nosey! And impressed that you found anything good in a charity shop. My locals are all full of crap.

Rainbowsew · 13/08/2021 21:53

I wouldn't have told them about it as it does look like you've tricked them on purpose BUT given the way they have treated you and reacted over it I really think you're better off without then for a while, that isn't a nice way to behave to their daughter especially if you're struggling for money. Sounds downright toxic to be so competitive with anyone, let alone your children...

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 13/08/2021 22:11

If I were to put a bet on I'd say it was a Robert Mouseman. Some pieces are worth a lot but they don't look anything fancy

Kisskiss · 13/08/2021 22:17

I think if you had posted a reverse ( from their POV) most people would be calling you, the daughter a cf.
I would definitely give them the money but hopefully explain that you’re hurt they assumed you tried to trick them.

It’s a weird way to view your own child isn’t it? With about zero trust.. unless, something similar has happened in the past?

Helga55 · 13/08/2021 22:18

Getawaywithit
Hope you’re paying tax on your earnings
🤣🤣🤣WTF is it with some people.

You don't pay tax on stuff you sell second hand 😂😂

OP keep the money. You need it more than they do, and don't feel bad. They're being really bloody weird

You DO pay tax on selling second hand items, but it's under the ' Global Accounting System'

I run a business on selling second hand goods, and I most certainly have to pay tax. As my account told me, If you buy items with the intention of selling on, you should declare it to HMRC. eBay (& other selling platforms) is watched by not only the taxman, but also jealous joe public who can easily make anonymous accusations to HMRC who may/may not look to investigate..

DoYouLikeOwls · 13/08/2021 22:59

Not sure how much profit you are going to make but:

*Definition of trading allowance

The trading allowance is an allowance of £1,000 that's available to some sole traders. As of 6th April 2017, if you're a sole trader with income from your business of under £1,000 a year, then you don't have to register for Self Assessment with HMRC, or pay tax on your business income.*

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 13/08/2021 23:09

@Helga55 that's because you run a business.

Utterly ridiculous to suggest that the OP needs to pay tax on one thing she is re-selling from a charity shop and if she doesn't The Eyes will get her 🤣🤣

therocinante · 13/08/2021 23:19

@abw94

Your parents are in the wrong IMO.

Your mom could have bought it if she really wanted it. Sounds like you didn't get a chance to see it properly anyway so not like you 'sneaked back to get it'.

I find it extremely sad your parents know you're struggling with money and are demanding a cut, as parent myself I'd want my child to keep it and take some stress away as I know money troubles can really stress you out.

I personally wouldn't speak to them until they apologise for how disgusting they've been to you. I think now is the time you do stand up to them and make it known they can't bully you. Sounds like your dad does wear the trousers which I find odd as a mother, I'd be telling my partner to leave it.

This.

My mum would be BUZZING for me if it were me, and especially if she knew I had been hard up recently.

I think your parents are being really shit, OP. I'd tell them it turned out to be worth way less than you thought and give them sod all.

Mayorquimby2 · 14/08/2021 00:30

In this very specific set of circumstances I'd unfortunately side with your parents.

It's not something I'd ever expect of my kid, and I know my parents would never expect it of me, but if they want to try and be overly fair about it then it does seem like you've profited off your mum's find having contributed to her decision to forego the purchase.

It's a lesson, give half and realise what kind of pricks they are

boomboom1234 · 14/08/2021 07:10

Personally if it had been me when I googled it and realised it’s worth I would have rang my mum told her I was back in the shop and looking at the item and had checked and it was valuable and asked if she wanted me to pick it up for her.

Macncheeseballs · 14/08/2021 08:00

Your mum should have bought it if she wanted it

NotImpossible · 14/08/2021 08:06

[quote FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop]@Helga55 that's because you run a business.

Utterly ridiculous to suggest that the OP needs to pay tax on one thing she is re-selling from a charity shop and if she doesn't The Eyes will get her 🤣🤣[/quote]
If you buy things with the intention of selling them you need to declare / pay tax (there is a trading allowance as described by a pp). What else do you think a business does?

(And comply with distance selling rules / consumer contracts regulations if selling online - personal bugbear of mine as so many businesses think these rules don't apply to them!)

SingingInTheShithouse · 14/08/2021 08:44

Whatever else goes on, YABVU about the actual dress. You should have offered it to her for cost as soon as you knew. Anything else is grabby & underhanded

Charitytat · 14/08/2021 08:56

Sorry for silence, I've read all of the responses and am grateful for them all, even the harsh ones! I did rally myself for some classic AIBU replies and put my hard hat on!

I can definitely see how it has come across and as some posters have pointed out I made a massive mistake by not being clear about my intentions when I told them. I haven't behaved perfectly despite my intentions. I should have told them when I actually sold it and had the money and done a surprise at the same time. Like... "Remember that thing in the shop? Well when I went back I had a look and got it and we're going to dinner/here's a present/whatever". I know they are grabby with this hobby (they will jokingly run in front of me to get to the shop first but secretly they are not joking!) and my approach made this worse and was ambiguous.

My dad won't change his opinion and I am disappointed and upset at his behaviour. Sadly withdrawing my original plan won't make him recognise this or apologize or anything and it will just give him more ammo.

The suggestions to write a letter, give them the money and then never go to a charity shop with them again is a good one and that's what I'll do.

Finally I hate those posts where the details aren't given so...drum roll... It was some modern art and it sold for just shy of £1000.

Not worth all of the awful stress and upset it's caused but a chance for me to stick up for myself and recognise this going forward.

OP posts:
bluegreygreen · 14/08/2021 09:28

Have just read the thread this morning.

I don't think you're a bully - I suspect your Dad used the wrong word at the start and then because of the argument couldn't withdraw it.

I'm glad you can see (at least in part) how your actions may have come across.

Like several others, if this had happened in our family I would have bought the item for my mum once I discovered it was worth something, so your suggestion of giving your mother 'some' or even 'half' of the profit doesn't seem particularly generous.

One thing I did find interesting - you mentioned 'needing to be a planner' or you get into a mess, and then said that your parents are flakey/unreliable (can't remember the exact wording, sorry). Perhaps you are very similar, just you have found a strategy that works for you? May be worth thinking about? You and your Mum also both think of yourselves as generous. I suspect some of this is people with similar outlooks/behaviours rubbing up against each other the wrong way.

MzHz · 14/08/2021 09:51

Sounds like he’s projecting

I am not a bully and being a victim of bullying for a lot of my life find this label really upsetting

The only people I can see are being bullish and aggressive are your parents

So what YOU want to do and stop worrying about what he thinks

Stop going shopping with them, go by yourself

And why are you blowing money on things you don’t need when you’re struggling

Have you sold this thing yet? It needs to go so you can make your life easier again

I don’t believe you should give your mum anything

She didn’t pay for it, and could have offered to buy into it when you told her.

MyOtherProfile · 14/08/2021 09:57

I'm not sure you should give them all the money but I am sure you should kick the habit of shopping with them regularly.

Babyboomtastic · 14/08/2021 10:03

If it sold for just under £1000, taking your parents out for dinner doesn't sound like a fair split, and more if a token gesture

purpledagger · 14/08/2021 10:07

I'm sorry to read this had happened to you.

It sounds like you have a great eye for antique hunting and are very good at it. I wouldn't have accepted any money from an adult child if they were struggling, but I can see why your parents felt you were acting underhandedly.

Personally, I would sell the item, give your Mum her half and just never go with them again. It sounds like they really rely on you to guide them, so it's their loss.

SimonedeBeauvoirscat · 14/08/2021 10:15

OP - I’ve read the whole thread. You’ve responded a lot to people commenting on the specifics of the situation but you’ve not said much in reply to the many people who’ve said that this is a really toxic relationship dynamic. I note that you say in your most recent post that you’ll be taking a step back and honestly I think that is the absolute minimum you need. You really need some time away from them to explore and discover your own feelings and emotions about your family and childhood; I think you will find there’s a lot to process, please please take some time to do so. If I may, could I recommend the book ‘How To Do The Work’ by Nicole LaPera, which is all about how we can recognise and process our hidden hurts which stem from childhood. It is so revelatory and I think you would find it helpful to better understand your feelings and reactions and be reassured that they are valid.

SimonedeBeauvoirscat · 14/08/2021 10:18

And also, if you’re not already aware of it, there’s a long running thread on here called Stately Homes which is all about difficult family relationships. You might want to have a read and perhaps join it? Could also be helpful.