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Am I really a bully?! Should I give them the money?

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Charitytat · 13/08/2021 16:49

Sorry this is long and sounds very petty, but it's more indicative of a bigger picture and related to my relationship with my parents, which I struggle with. Happy to be told AIBU but please be kind 😬 as my anxiety is making this all very upsetting.

For several years I've enjoyed nosying around car boots and charity shops for bargains, and sometimes make a bit of spending money doing this. My parents started doing the same thing a few years ago and do regular car boots. These now take up most weekends and when they visit they want to spend all day in charity shops. They are very grabby and competitive. I don't resent this but it means it usually trumps anything else and it's getting wearing.

On a recent visit we'd been in a shop about an hour. It was lunch, I was worried about the dog, dad was bored. He asked me to get mum. She was looking at something, asked me about it, and I said I didn't really like it although to be fair I didn't really look properly. I then asked if we could go as both dad and I were waiting. She ended up not buying it but bought other things.

Mum had googled stuff on her phone and told me to go back to the shop to buy some (horrendous) tea pots. A couple of days later I popped in, couldn't find the teapots (secretly relieved) but saw the thing mum was looking at, had another look and googled it. It turned out to be worth a fair bit of money, so I bought it.

I told them about it and after mum found out what it was worth she was upset and quiet. Dad then said I had been horrible to mum and called me a bully, and that I made mum not buy it in the shop. He is really angry and has said I must give half the money to mum. This is despite him wanting to leave and asking me to get mum. Mum is her own entity and could have googled it, but in their heads I am now mean for buying it and turning a profit. If I had bought the teapot that would have been fine, but this item is apparently not fine. If someone else had bought clearly they wouldn't think badly of that person and would have just been irritated it 'got away'. But I have been horrible to them.

I think what's really going on is mum is upset with herself for not buying it and is taking it out on me, and mum can do no wrong in dad's eyes and he is backing mum up in his own way. They are NEVER wrong.

It's nearly 2 months rent (they know I am struggling for money). I told mum I'd give her some and she said 'i should think so too'. No thanks, no happiness, just an entitled response. I was initially intending on giving mum some, but as a surprise. Now I feel very resentful for being forced to. Dad called me a bully really upset me and ironically I now feel bullied.

Sorry this is long. It's not really about the money I suppose, but about my relationship with my parents. I'm 35 and feel like a child.
I would LOVE to stick up to them and I have told dad he is wrong for what he said, but he completely disagrees. They are now not talking to me about it but I expect this will change once I give mum the money.

AIBU for either keeping all of the money or just bloody giving it to charity to spite them, even though I need it? I feel like the damage is done on both sides, right or wrong, but is there a way of turning this around?

I can see mum's view and she thinks that I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't seen her looking at it. I don't know if that's true or not. It's dad's behaviour I'm really upset with.

For those who think I should give the money to charity regardless, this is not an uncommon thing (watch Antiques roadshow!) So would appreciate not being told that I'm stealing from charity - I bought it, not stole it!

OP posts:
FatJan · 13/08/2021 18:59

In your version of events, you googled the item upon your return because you were already in the shop for the teapot thing.

The question has to be asked, would you have googled the item upon your next visit ANYWAY, even though you say you didn't like it, or did your mum's interest spur you into giving it a second chance?

The difficulty is that if it's the latter, it could well be subconscious and you wouldn't necessarily know.

From the outside looking in, buying an item that turned out to be worth money after telling someone else not to is unreasonable.

You've listed your reasons for doing it (dog tired, dad tired, didn't like item originally, was already in the shop the second time so just decided to cover it 'another chance') but honestly, it looks bad.

I'd give her half without complaint.

I'm not saying your parents reaction is reasonable (you're not a 'bully', that's a ridiculous and hurtful word to have used), but you are unreasonable in your disregard of the bigger picture.

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/08/2021 19:02

Will everyone please stop laying into op.

Did no one read this comment?

I have spent the last 2 years saving up for an electric bike for my dad. I help them with whatever they need.

Your parents sound incredibly entitled. You’ve put their needs way above your own. I cannot believe some of the comments on this thread. Please stop handing money over to them.

I would send the following:

I have always given you whatever I am able. I spent 2 years saving up for an electric bike just for you dad. This goes above and beyond what most children do for their parents. I am now in a time of need and struggling to keep a roof over my head. I was going to share some of the profit with you when I sell the item. But after this I think it’s better if we all take a big step back from things as it’s clearly not working.

I sincerely hope you’ve put in a request for counselling through your GP. This sounds incredibly enmeshed. Your parents are truly toxic and grabby. It is very abnormal for a parent to allow their child to save for a bike for them for 2 years.

Picklesthecat · 13/08/2021 19:09

It sounds like you want them to understand and apologize for hurting your feelings without you doing the same for them.

Womaninthemirror1 · 13/08/2021 19:11

When I read about you buying the thing, I automatically assumed you were going to buy it for your mum, instead of the teapots. That’s what I’d have done. You knew she liked it, you saw it was worth money, the natural thing to my mind would be to buy it for her.

As things stand though you haven’t done anything wrong. You saw an opportunity to make a buck and you took it. Your parents saw you take this opportunity instead of offering it to them, and resent you for it. They sound grasping. Your actions come across a bit grasping too. Who am I to judge though, maybe you are all in need of money, to the point it is worth falling out over?

If you can afford to, just give them the goddamn cash and never go shopping with them again.

EmergencyPoncho · 13/08/2021 19:13

You are not obliged to check in to your parents. Take this as a lesson in what you can and can't share. I don't think you've done anything wrong (except tell them), she had the chance to buy it and she missed that and is jealous you have profited. If they don't need the money but you do, I doubly think they're wrong.

I have a complicated relationship with my parents and I wonder if that makes me view this differently. If we reimagine the story that it was a friend who is struggling for money but you aren't, and you went and bought the item, I'd think you would definitely be U not to offer it/share etc. The issue is really the relationship with your parents, you feeling you need to check in. You don't.

DeRigueurMortis · 13/08/2021 19:14

OP I don't think you did anything wrong per se.

I think the problem is communication.

If you'd said "great news mum, when I went back for the teapots I had another look at X item, and had a re-think. Turns out it might be worth £X. I'll put it on eBay and let you know how much it sells for and we can split the money".

The problem is that you didn't declare you intention to "share" and now you have the awful situation where your parents think you wouldn't have done so and you feel aggrieved that they thought you'd behave in that way.

All that said, if my child was struggling for money and such a thing happened, I'd be pleased for them and insist in them keeping any money even if offered.

My advice would be to text/email what happened and what your intentions had been. Say you're upset that they think so poorly of you (greedy) when you've demonstrated the exact opposite time and again.

Then take a step back and knock these "buying" visits on the head with them.

I think a pp got it right in the sense you need to view your mum as "competition" (even if you don't see it that way, it seems she does).

Finally I think you've had a rough time on this thread.

I'm sorry you're struggling with both your health and with money and I sorry that especially in those circumstances your parents haven't been more supportive Thanks

MyOtherProfile · 13/08/2021 19:14

I think you need a bit of distance. Maybe try and spend a bit less time with them and do your own thing more. It isn't really their business what you buy and sell.

TatianaBis · 13/08/2021 19:15

The whole thing is moot anyway as finding one similar item that sold for a reasonable amount doesn’t mean yours will, it depends on the sale.

The fact your dad demanded you give half the money to your mum indicates you weren’t intending to despite what you claim now, or what would there be to argue about? Your answer would just have been ‘yes that was my intention’ [/end of discussion]

It’s perfectly reasonable to give her half in the circumstances, so why not just do it and end the aggro?

KarmaStar · 13/08/2021 19:15

I'd give some money to the charity shop tbh,charities are really struggling due to covid.

godmum56 · 13/08/2021 19:16

you are close but they contribute to your poor mental health
you have tried to change your father

trainwreck of a relationship

TatianaBis · 13/08/2021 19:17

When I read about you buying the thing, I automatically assumed you were going to buy it for your mum, instead of the teapots. That’s what I’d have done. You knew she liked it, you saw it was worth money, the natural thing to my mind would be to buy it for her.

Me too. If I went back to a shop and saw something my mum had wanted to buy and realised it had some value I would have bought it for her. I assumed that’s what the story would be at the start.

That’s why I think dad’s request of half is perfectly reasonable in the circs. That he had to ask indicates OP hadn’t offered.

Jux · 13/08/2021 19:19

Your family are toxic. Keep the money, all of it.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 13/08/2021 19:20

In future just do not discuss your business

OaxacaChihuahua · 13/08/2021 19:21

I think there are two separate issues here. The first is that your parents are bullies who behave badly and have damages their relationship with you.

The second is this specific incident, in which I think you should split the money. I don’t think you’re responsible for your mum not buying it, but I do think she’s responsible for the fact that you did - you wouldn’t have googled it if she hadn’t drawn your attention to it first. And from your parents’ POV, you pooh poohed it to your mum by saying you didn’t like it, then swooped in and made significant profit by buying it yourself. Whether or not that what your intention isn’t really material - that’s how it would look to most people.

I can, however, see how your parents have completely soured the whole thing by demanding the money, and that’s clearly symptomatic of their wider behaviour to you.

So, to summarise - in this instance I think yes, you should have offered to give your mum the money or at least half it. But generally your parents sound difficult and rude, and I feel for you having to deal with their attitudes.

trevorandsimon · 13/08/2021 19:23

@iklboo

Hope you’re paying tax on your earnings

Not sure you know how tax works. OP isn't an antiques dealer or a shop owner.

I don't think you know how tax works. You don't have to be either of those to be required to pay tax.
DeRigueurMortis · 13/08/2021 19:23

@DeRigueurMortis

OP I don't think you did anything wrong per se.

I think the problem is communication.

If you'd said "great news mum, when I went back for the teapots I had another look at X item, and had a re-think. Turns out it might be worth £X. I'll put it on eBay and let you know how much it sells for and we can split the money".

The problem is that you didn't declare you intention to "share" and now you have the awful situation where your parents think you wouldn't have done so and you feel aggrieved that they thought you'd behave in that way.

All that said, if my child was struggling for money and such a thing happened, I'd be pleased for them and insist in them keeping any money even if offered.

My advice would be to text/email what happened and what your intentions had been. Say you're upset that they think so poorly of you (greedy) when you've demonstrated the exact opposite time and again.

Then take a step back and knock these "buying" visits on the head with them.

I think a pp got it right in the sense you need to view your mum as "competition" (even if you don't see it that way, it seems she does).

Finally I think you've had a rough time on this thread.

I'm sorry you're struggling with both your health and with money and I sorry that especially in those circumstances your parents haven't been more supportive Thanks

Sorry, I realise I didn't answer your question about the money.

Personally I'd give them half just to be the better person, given that was your intention anyway.

That said, I understand the temptation not to in the sense that if they want to accuse you of unfair behaviour without listening to you (as per your failed phone call) then frankly you might as well be hung for a sheep than a lamb....

Nocutenamesleft · 13/08/2021 19:24

I’d give my mum the money for sure

It’s screams of excuses. From both sides. Didn’t want a wasted trip. She thought you shouldn’t of rushed her. Too many from both sides. You say you didn’t know how much it was worth. But you googled it. So you must of

I would totally give her half. Though I’d also give my half to charity. Or some children’s charity. For terminally ill children. So that there was some positive from this whole experience.

Im not sure why you told her how you’d brought it and how much money it was worth though? Why?

Fiddliestofsticks · 13/08/2021 19:24

I've had the exact same thing with my mum. The exact same. When I went back and saw what it was worth, I bought it for her and gave her it and said, "I checked this vase you were looking at and it was worth X so I picked it up for you."

That's what I would expect any person to do. My mum then gave me half the profit, because she said she only got it because I went back and checked. We were both happy because we treated each other with respect and love.

Angryfrommanchester1 · 13/08/2021 19:24

I do think you should split the money on the occasion, as you mum pointed it out to you.

I know this isn’t your point but how do you then sell this on? Where do you find your buyer for this stuff to ‘cash it in’?

lineeyesneeded · 13/08/2021 19:24

@TatianaBis

When I read about you buying the thing, I automatically assumed you were going to buy it for your mum, instead of the teapots. That’s what I’d have done. You knew she liked it, you saw it was worth money, the natural thing to my mind would be to buy it for her.

Me too. If I went back to a shop and saw something my mum had wanted to buy and realised it had some value I would have bought it for her. I assumed that’s what the story would be at the start.

That’s why I think dad’s request of half is perfectly reasonable in the circs. That he had to ask indicates OP hadn’t offered.

I agree with this, I would have bought it for my mum and given it to her in the circumstances.

But

I think this incident represents a deeper problem with your relationship. To be honest, I'd give them the item to sell but create a bit of breathing space between you. Stop competing to find bargains, stop spending every weekend in charity shops and spend a bit less time together but when you do meet up do things together rather than compete with each other.

ittakes2 · 13/08/2021 19:25

If it was me I would have bought it for her and she could have had all the money so I think a half and half split is fair. You were a) only there because she asked you to go and b) looked at it because she drew your attention to it and c) if you had not have been negative she might have bought it. I do agree your parents are grabby though - if it was my mum I would have offered it to her and she would have refused it bless her.

Mummasdiary2021 · 13/08/2021 19:25

Why would she do that 🤣don't be silly

TatianaBis · 13/08/2021 19:25

And from your parents’ POV, you pooh poohed it to your mum by saying you didn’t like it, then swooped in and made significant profit by buying it yourself

Everyone is assuming this she won’t get anything retail value at auction, they’re very capricious, and you have to pay auction fees.

I doubt it’s the windfall OP thinks it is.

Mummasdiary2021 · 13/08/2021 19:26

OP, she is being unreasonable. She's mad because she didn't get it. Your not in the wrong you just did what she didn't. She's a grown up having a tantrum. Don't give her any money it's yours! Xx

DeRigueurMortis · 13/08/2021 19:27

@Nocutenamesleft

I’d give my mum the money for sure

It’s screams of excuses. From both sides. Didn’t want a wasted trip. She thought you shouldn’t of rushed her. Too many from both sides. You say you didn’t know how much it was worth. But you googled it. So you must of

I would totally give her half. Though I’d also give my half to charity. Or some children’s charity. For terminally ill children. So that there was some positive from this whole experience.

Im not sure why you told her how you’d brought it and how much money it was worth though? Why?

It's actually a luxury to be able to give money to charity when you're struggling to keep a roof over your head......

Frankly the money is more valuable to the OP than the 50% plus any charity will use to fund itself.

Far less goes to the actual causes than many people realise.

Or should she give it to Shelter in the hope they'll help her out when her rent is due???

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