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Am I really a bully?! Should I give them the money?

255 replies

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 16:49

Sorry this is long and sounds very petty, but it's more indicative of a bigger picture and related to my relationship with my parents, which I struggle with. Happy to be told AIBU but please be kind 😬 as my anxiety is making this all very upsetting.

For several years I've enjoyed nosying around car boots and charity shops for bargains, and sometimes make a bit of spending money doing this. My parents started doing the same thing a few years ago and do regular car boots. These now take up most weekends and when they visit they want to spend all day in charity shops. They are very grabby and competitive. I don't resent this but it means it usually trumps anything else and it's getting wearing.

On a recent visit we'd been in a shop about an hour. It was lunch, I was worried about the dog, dad was bored. He asked me to get mum. She was looking at something, asked me about it, and I said I didn't really like it although to be fair I didn't really look properly. I then asked if we could go as both dad and I were waiting. She ended up not buying it but bought other things.

Mum had googled stuff on her phone and told me to go back to the shop to buy some (horrendous) tea pots. A couple of days later I popped in, couldn't find the teapots (secretly relieved) but saw the thing mum was looking at, had another look and googled it. It turned out to be worth a fair bit of money, so I bought it.

I told them about it and after mum found out what it was worth she was upset and quiet. Dad then said I had been horrible to mum and called me a bully, and that I made mum not buy it in the shop. He is really angry and has said I must give half the money to mum. This is despite him wanting to leave and asking me to get mum. Mum is her own entity and could have googled it, but in their heads I am now mean for buying it and turning a profit. If I had bought the teapot that would have been fine, but this item is apparently not fine. If someone else had bought clearly they wouldn't think badly of that person and would have just been irritated it 'got away'. But I have been horrible to them.

I think what's really going on is mum is upset with herself for not buying it and is taking it out on me, and mum can do no wrong in dad's eyes and he is backing mum up in his own way. They are NEVER wrong.

It's nearly 2 months rent (they know I am struggling for money). I told mum I'd give her some and she said 'i should think so too'. No thanks, no happiness, just an entitled response. I was initially intending on giving mum some, but as a surprise. Now I feel very resentful for being forced to. Dad called me a bully really upset me and ironically I now feel bullied.

Sorry this is long. It's not really about the money I suppose, but about my relationship with my parents. I'm 35 and feel like a child.
I would LOVE to stick up to them and I have told dad he is wrong for what he said, but he completely disagrees. They are now not talking to me about it but I expect this will change once I give mum the money.

AIBU for either keeping all of the money or just bloody giving it to charity to spite them, even though I need it? I feel like the damage is done on both sides, right or wrong, but is there a way of turning this around?

I can see mum's view and she thinks that I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't seen her looking at it. I don't know if that's true or not. It's dad's behaviour I'm really upset with.

For those who think I should give the money to charity regardless, this is not an uncommon thing (watch Antiques roadshow!) So would appreciate not being told that I'm stealing from charity - I bought it, not stole it!

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SoniaD · 13/08/2021 17:05

I would split it with my mum.

Cornettoninja · 13/08/2021 17:05

@StarDrawers

If you weren't going to give them any then you should have just stayed quiet and never mentioned it.
Well this really.

As it is I think it’s fair to split whatever profit you make, you wouldn’t have googled it if your mum hadn’t drawn your attention to it in the first place and then you played a part in discouraging her buying it herself.

Whilst I don’t think she’s ‘entitled’ to half I think it’s the right thing to do. I suspect it’s only turned into a big drama because you didn’t immediately agree when it was brought up.

memberofthewedding · 13/08/2021 17:06

I know something about this field since I have collected antiques and vintage since the 1960s and dealt since the 1980s.

Seems like you and your mother are competitors in business! One thing I learned early on (and which your mum needs to learn). If you see an item you are interested in and its the right price, buy it there are then! There are occasions too numerous to mention when I dithered about something at an antiques fair or market because it was a bit more than I wanted to pay. So I went off to have a coffee, decided to buy it, and when I returned someone else had snapped it up!

So your mum had the opportunity to buy the teapot first, and for whatever reason let it go. Then you snapped it up. Well thats business. It would probably have been better if you had never mentioned it and quietly sold it on. Unfortunately she is being a sore loser now.

If you need the money for essential household expenses then sell the teapot and use the money. I once bought an item for 15 euros on Ebay and sold it at Christies for £1500. No guilt or regrets. Knowledge is power.

There is one sure lesson in this game. You snooze, you lose.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 13/08/2021 17:06

Tell them that actually yes you were intending to give your mum some money as a nice surprise but they have ruined that with their attitudes, that you are very upset they think that little of you considering they raised you, and that it's probably best you have some space. Then go NC for a while.

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 17:07

I didn't tell them what it was worth, when I googled it something similar sold for a fair bit.

I didn't 'sneak back'. Mum told me to go back to the shop and have another look at the teapots and buy them. Which is why this is confusing, because she encouraged me to make a profit from those!

As I also said, I was planning on giving mum some as a surprise. I did not expect this response. I thought she'd genuinely be happy for me and I'd treat her after I'd sold it.

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Echobelly · 13/08/2021 17:10

I don't think you were a bully, but you don't come out of this looking great and should probably split the money as it was your mum who drew attention to it. It's a bit like the principle in some art/property/business circles where the person who does the 'introduction' of the buyer gets a cut even if they didn't do the selling - your mum introduced to the 'thing', she could be seen as entitled to finders fee.

Polkadots2021 · 13/08/2021 17:10

@PegasusReturns

I think in these circumstances your mum is not being unreasonable. You told her you didn’t like something and then bought it yourself.

That said it sounds like you have a terrible relationship with your parents and the first thing you should do is stop spending every weekend with them

This is very good advice.
SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 13/08/2021 17:11

@MummBraTheEverLeaking

Tell them that actually yes you were intending to give your mum some money as a nice surprise but they have ruined that with their attitudes, that you are very upset they think that little of you considering they raised you, and that it's probably best you have some space. Then go NC for a while.
Spot on!
Bollindger · 13/08/2021 17:11

I think you do need to hand over half the profit as you wouldn't have looked at it unless your mum showed it too you.
BUT you can now say you want to do something different as you don't want to see this happen again.
Had you brought and sold it and not boasted to your dad about it, you would not have had to share.

Gilly12345 · 13/08/2021 17:11

Give her half of the money and move on.

However I would for a while distance myself from them and stop discussing your new purchases from charity shops/car boot sales as obviously this causes problems in your relationship with them.

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 17:13

@pasturesgreen

Personally, I'd have split the money or treated my mum to a nice lunch or something with the proceeds, seeing as she was the one who attracted your attention to the object.

Then again, if my parents knew I was struggling for money they'd be the first to tell me to just keep it and pay my rent, so I appreciate mine is a different family dynamic. But by all means use the money to pay your rent, no point cutting off your nose to spite your face and giving it to charity when you need it yourself!

This was my exact intention!

And I'm surprised, because my parents know I left my job due to poor mental health and am struggling with a very temporary part time thing.

They have always been very helpful in the past, through university etc. My mum is a very kind and generous person (often to her detriment) and I like to think that I have inherited these traits.

I think it is the weird competitive angle this cbuying and selling thing has taken which has caused this response. iI did no deceiving or sneaking and I don't know why they think this.

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Charitytat · 13/08/2021 17:14

@Getawaywithit

Hope you’re paying tax on your earnings
Missing the point much?
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Marmite27 · 13/08/2021 17:15

You should split it! Your mum saw it first and would have probably bought it if you and your dad weren’t hurrying her up!

Holly60 · 13/08/2021 17:16

Ok so here is what would have happened in my family. If my DD had done this she would say ‘mum I’ve looked at it again and it’s worth some money so I’ll split it with you’ snd I would say ‘ahh that’s kind darling, but you are struggling for money at the moment, so keep it. Shall we get a coffee?’

But as your family doesn’t work like that I would just keep it I think..

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 17:20

@Martinisarebetterdirty

I think you should give it all to your mum. You rushed her (even though your dad asked you to you wanted to) and told her you didn’t like it. I fully see why they are upset with you, it feels like you went back for it sneakily. If you’re going to do this then you shouldn’t have said you’d bought it and made money on it. But then I get on with my parents and I would have offered immediately.
My issue is my Dad's behaviour. He asked me to ask Mum to leave.

Mum spent another 10 minutes looking around, so could easily have bought it.

Again no sneaking involved - Mum told me to go back to the shop! I wouldn't have gone back if Mum hadn't have told me to.

I feel like this has all been twisted in their heads despite what actually happened. Their actions also contributed to this happening (Dad wanting to leave but not wanting to tell Mum himself, Mum telling me to go back to the shop but it seems only giving me permission to buy the things she told me to).

Again I was certainly going to give Mum some money.

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MaMelon · 13/08/2021 17:22

My issue is my Dad's behaviour. He asked me to ask Mum to leave

But you were keen for her to leave too

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 17:24

@StarDrawers

If you weren't going to give them any then you should have just stayed quiet and never mentioned it.
I did say in my post that I was intending on giving Mum some. I was never going to keep it all for myself.

But their approach and how they have spoken to and treated me just makes me very resentful - it's no longer a choice or kindness or about sharing something. It feel like it's now about 'doing as I'm told because I'm a bad child'.

This is the real issue. It's not really about the money anymore. I genuinely wish I had never bought it. I expect if I give it to charity that will also be the wrong thing to do.

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wewereliars · 13/08/2021 17:26

I think your parents sound weird and grabby TBH

AnonymousCheerleader · 13/08/2021 17:27

Fuck that shit. Them demanding the money would make me dig my heels in and not share.

It's probably time to withdraw from them. They sound awful!

StarDrawers · 13/08/2021 17:27

@Charitytat ah yes missed that bit sorry.

Kanaloa · 13/08/2021 17:27

Of course you know/say you didn’t look at it originally, but they only know how it went from their point of view.

Which was mum asked daughter if she should buy something, daughter discouraged and asked her to leave shop, returned and bought the item herself, and sold it for a profit then told them about it.

You can see how it comes across from their perspective.

Clumsyvolcano · 13/08/2021 17:28

Why on Earth did you tell her you bought it and how much it was worth? Keeping your mouth shut would have been the best idea here if you expected to keep the profit as she was always going to be upset. As it is, you need to split the profits.

TheWholeJingbang · 13/08/2021 17:30

Yeah you’re in the wrong

HTH

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 17:30

@MaMelon

My issue is my Dad's behaviour. He asked me to ask Mum to leave

But you were keen for her to leave too

That's true, and it wasn't unreasonable. When we went in I said we needed to try and be quick because the dog was at home.

The point is that Dad is equally responsible for us leaving (although again we spent another 10-15 minutes in the shop).

I think if Mum had really wanted to buy it, she would have. I know, and I think she knows, that she wouldn't have put it down just because I asked her to think about leaving soon. She carried on browsing that shelf and I walked off. But in their heads, they have created the scenario where I spied this valuable treasure, dragged Mum off kicking and screaming, and then snuck in the back way gleefully rubbing my hands together. Not forgetting then rubbing their faces in it.

They have form for rewriting history. They often forget dates and this is often turned into me never telling them, or never making it clear, and being my fault. When in reality they didn't write it down or they made other plans but forgot to let me know. They are never sorry or admit fault and I usually end up being messed about or feeling hurt.

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UnGoogled · 13/08/2021 17:30

They are mean and I think you should pull back from contact.