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Am I really a bully?! Should I give them the money?

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Charitytat · 13/08/2021 16:49

Sorry this is long and sounds very petty, but it's more indicative of a bigger picture and related to my relationship with my parents, which I struggle with. Happy to be told AIBU but please be kind 😬 as my anxiety is making this all very upsetting.

For several years I've enjoyed nosying around car boots and charity shops for bargains, and sometimes make a bit of spending money doing this. My parents started doing the same thing a few years ago and do regular car boots. These now take up most weekends and when they visit they want to spend all day in charity shops. They are very grabby and competitive. I don't resent this but it means it usually trumps anything else and it's getting wearing.

On a recent visit we'd been in a shop about an hour. It was lunch, I was worried about the dog, dad was bored. He asked me to get mum. She was looking at something, asked me about it, and I said I didn't really like it although to be fair I didn't really look properly. I then asked if we could go as both dad and I were waiting. She ended up not buying it but bought other things.

Mum had googled stuff on her phone and told me to go back to the shop to buy some (horrendous) tea pots. A couple of days later I popped in, couldn't find the teapots (secretly relieved) but saw the thing mum was looking at, had another look and googled it. It turned out to be worth a fair bit of money, so I bought it.

I told them about it and after mum found out what it was worth she was upset and quiet. Dad then said I had been horrible to mum and called me a bully, and that I made mum not buy it in the shop. He is really angry and has said I must give half the money to mum. This is despite him wanting to leave and asking me to get mum. Mum is her own entity and could have googled it, but in their heads I am now mean for buying it and turning a profit. If I had bought the teapot that would have been fine, but this item is apparently not fine. If someone else had bought clearly they wouldn't think badly of that person and would have just been irritated it 'got away'. But I have been horrible to them.

I think what's really going on is mum is upset with herself for not buying it and is taking it out on me, and mum can do no wrong in dad's eyes and he is backing mum up in his own way. They are NEVER wrong.

It's nearly 2 months rent (they know I am struggling for money). I told mum I'd give her some and she said 'i should think so too'. No thanks, no happiness, just an entitled response. I was initially intending on giving mum some, but as a surprise. Now I feel very resentful for being forced to. Dad called me a bully really upset me and ironically I now feel bullied.

Sorry this is long. It's not really about the money I suppose, but about my relationship with my parents. I'm 35 and feel like a child.
I would LOVE to stick up to them and I have told dad he is wrong for what he said, but he completely disagrees. They are now not talking to me about it but I expect this will change once I give mum the money.

AIBU for either keeping all of the money or just bloody giving it to charity to spite them, even though I need it? I feel like the damage is done on both sides, right or wrong, but is there a way of turning this around?

I can see mum's view and she thinks that I wouldn't have bought it if I hadn't seen her looking at it. I don't know if that's true or not. It's dad's behaviour I'm really upset with.

For those who think I should give the money to charity regardless, this is not an uncommon thing (watch Antiques roadshow!) So would appreciate not being told that I'm stealing from charity - I bought it, not stole it!

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JudgeJ · 13/08/2021 17:48

@SoniaD

I would split it with my mum.
Maybe making it clear that you're being bullied into this course of action and you won't be attending any more sales with her or your horrible father, if he wants to leave he can tell her himself.
DinaofCloud9 · 13/08/2021 17:50

You're not a bully but I do think you should have gone halves with your mum.

Your dad is out of order but it was you and him that wanted your mum to hurry up not just him.

Feilin · 13/08/2021 17:50

If I was you (and Im not I know just speaking from what I would have done) I would have bought the item googled it (have done this in past as dad had interest in antiques) handed them the item told them what id found out and left them to it.

NoSquirrels · 13/08/2021 17:51

Their behaviour is wrong.

But that doesn’t really help you to sort out this situation.

If I were you I’d give your mum a ‘finder’s fee’ e.g. 25% commission. Then put the rest to your savings.

Then I’d refuse to go charity-shopping or car-booting with them again.

Triphazards · 13/08/2021 17:52

Why did you tell them?

chaosrabbitland · 13/08/2021 17:53

you did make a bit of an error by even telling her about it , if youd only kept quiet you wouldnt be in this predicament . its odd i think that unless they are struggling why they want the money anyway ,
id personally keet it and use it on the rent , part of why i would do that would be because of their demanding responses . me id be happy to let them get a bit pissed off and use it to put some distance between me and them , as it sounds like thats what you need and the more you give into them , the more they are going to make you feel like a child . id be making up any old stuff like the dogs had to go to the vets , large bill so i will need the money to help with bills and let them get on with it

mam0918 · 13/08/2021 17:53

YABU as are your parents to be making a living out of knowingly ripping off charities.

Bargain hunting to save yourself money on things you want/need is one thing but to buy things you know have been severally accidentally undervalued by charity shops purely to make yourself big profits is utterly shameless and immoral.

Im in a lot of charity shop search groups and its pretty standard that if you buy something purely to sell and it makes a big profit your return at least a decent chunk of profit to the charity. Most groups will kick you out if they find you are doing things like this.

FangsForTheMemory · 13/08/2021 17:53

I'd probably give her all the money for it but would never ever go round a charity shop or car boot sale with her or your dad again.

CakeandGo · 13/08/2021 17:56

Sorry OP I would also have given it to her (minus the cost of purchasing).
Once you googled it and realised it was worth something you decided to buy it. She probably would have done the same, had you not rushed her out the door (because of your dad or not). I might have secretly hoped she’d share the profit but it was initially her ‘find’.

Given how your parents are, what you should have done was buy it, sell it on and not tell her!!!

Derbee · 13/08/2021 17:58

The conversation from your parents should never have needed to come up. You should have told them about the items value and split the money immediately.

pilates · 13/08/2021 17:58

You sound as bad each other. It sounds a very unhealthy relationship. I would split the money.

Imnothereforthedrama · 13/08/2021 17:59

Sorry op I believe you didn’t mean it and you didn’t go back to the shop intentionally to buy the thing your mum was looking at , but you did go back , you did buy it , and you did google it to find out it’s worth , and then tell your mum and dad . It doesn’t matter that you didn’t mean it like that and you was going to give some money to them it’s a actually a very mean and tight thing you did IMO . I’d had thought you’d say ‘oh mum I’ve just bought that thing you were looking at and googled it and it’s worth a bit so do you mind if we sell it and 50/50 between us ? ‘ but instead you said oh mum I’ve bought that thing you were looking at and I’ve googled it and it’s worth a bit of money aren’t I lucky’ . If it was me I’d be seriously pissed off too .

NoSquirrels · 13/08/2021 17:59

@mam0918

YABU as are your parents to be making a living out of knowingly ripping off charities.

Bargain hunting to save yourself money on things you want/need is one thing but to buy things you know have been severally accidentally undervalued by charity shops purely to make yourself big profits is utterly shameless and immoral.

Im in a lot of charity shop search groups and its pretty standard that if you buy something purely to sell and it makes a big profit your return at least a decent chunk of profit to the charity. Most groups will kick you out if they find you are doing things like this.

Really? Blimey.

Loads of charity shops do their own due diligence and sell valuable things online and to dealers. I don’t think it’s up to punters to refuse to buy at a cheap price - that would never occur to me.

blueluce85 · 13/08/2021 18:00

I think you are massively U!!

I disagree with the bully comment, but if I'd googled it I'd have told my mum what it was worth and picked it up for HER

Very underhanded imho

drpet49 · 13/08/2021 18:00

* Why the fuck did you tell her how much it was worth? It snacks of meanness imo. How did you imagine she would react when you rushed her out of buying it and snuck back to buy it yourself?*

^This. Even if it wasn’t your intention you must be able to see how it looks bad?

HermioneKipper · 13/08/2021 18:02

This doesn’t make any sense to me. Their daughter is struggling for money and they want to swipe half it off you? Horrible

I would probably give her the money but it would leave a very sour taste in my mouth. They’re your parents but they sound mean and grasping

Viviennemary · 13/08/2021 18:04

I think you are being a bit cheeky and selfish. Your Mum pointed it out to you as perhaps being worth something. If she hadn't you wouldn't have bought it. Give her half.

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:04

@Butchyrestingface

I don't think you're a bully. But I can't understand why you told them about this - think this would put a lot of people's noses out, even reasonable people completely unlike your father.

Be more circumspect about what you tell your parents in future.

Sorry, for the posters asking why I told them, I genuinely thought they would be happy and excited and the money would be good for everyone.

But it turned out completely differently to what I was expecting

I would have felt awful, and deceitful, if I had bought it and NOT told them. That would have been sneaky, and I am not this person.

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Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:05

@SchrodingersImmigrant

You know dogs survive few hours by themselves...

I would split it

Missing the point, but he's a young pup and we had been at charity shops for 4 hours. It was time to leave.
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SunshineCake · 13/08/2021 18:05

I don't think you are a bully but you haven't behaved very nicely. Neither has your parents.

Grimacingfrog · 13/08/2021 18:05

Look up triangulation. They are using you to communicate with each other or to treat you as the bad guy. This is why it's triggered you so much. Is your mother a bit of a martyr? Your dad shouldn't wade in, your mum is perfectly capable of telling you she's upset, what he's doing is actually bullying by both of them ganging up on you.

I wouldn't engage with them on this occasion and just give your mum some of the profit, as the actual situation is not morally clear cut. But in future, recognise when they're manipulating you and don't get involved with passing messages between each other or one of them telling you off on the other's behalf. Just say, if x has a problem, then they need to sort it out directly with me, I'm not going to discuss it with you.

Standrewsschool · 13/08/2021 18:06

Not a bully, but I would split the money.

Derbee · 13/08/2021 18:06

Also, depending on the charity, the morally correct thing would be to donate some of the profits back to them.

I say depending on the charity because there’s no way I’d advocate giving money to charities like Life or SPUC etc

Darthwader · 13/08/2021 18:07

If my mum had been going to buy something and I sort of talked her out of it and then I discovered it was exactly the sort of thing she was looking for, I would have bought it for her or phoned her, explained it was what she was looking for (worth a lot) afterall and asked if she wanted me to get it for her. It does seem odd to have just bought it and kept it for yourself.
However, if I was the mother in the situation I would not have demanded the money off my child and I certainly would not be acting like they were terrible. I love my DC and want them to always have good fortune.
I think the relationship is difficult. I think this is almost always the responsibility of the parent. So I don't think you are to blame for how you and your parents relate to each other. I would give her half the money, never charity shop or car boot with them again and spend some weekends without meeting up with them to give myself time to think about how I wanted to proceed with the relationship.

Charitytat · 13/08/2021 18:07

[quote Walkaround]@Charitytat - sorry, I’m a bit confused. Did you go to the shop to get the teapots for your mother, using her money, or did she ask you to get the teapots with your money and sell them yourself? Because if she gave you some money, or was going to pay you back for getting the teapots for her, I think you were somewhat thoughtless and selfish to be relieved you didn’t have to buy the teapots, but instead to buy something for yourself to make a profit on that you knew your mother had wanted and only hadn’t bought because you told her not to. Personally, I would have bought the thing she had originally wanted as a replacement purchase for the teapots that were no longer there and told her that she had been right after all, it was worth something and a good buy, so you’d got that for her with her money instead. As you say she is a generous person, she might well have then shared the profit with you, and everyone would have been happy. Instead, you made it appear that you look down on her taste, made her feel a fool for thinking it was something good (even though it was), and then diddled her out of her find so that you could have it for yourself.[/quote]
She told me to go back after they had left to buy them for myself to sell and make money for myself. They weren't there, so I had another look around so it wasn't a wasted trip.

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